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Va. Tech Shooter was laughed at
Yahoo news ^ | 4/19/07 | Matt Apuzzo

Posted on 04/19/2007 10:05:26 AM PDT by soccermom

BLACKSBURG, Va. - Long before he snapped, Virginia Tech gunman Cho Seung-Hui was picked on, pushed around and laughed at over his shyness and the strange way he talked when he was a schoolboy in the Washington suburbs, former classmates say.

Chris Davids, a Virginia Tech senior who graduated from Westfield High School in Chantilly, Va., with Cho in 2003, recalled that the South Korean immigrant almost never opened his mouth and would ignore attempts to strike up a conversation.

Once, in English class, the teacher had the students read aloud, and when it was Cho's turn, he just looked down in silence, Davids recalled. Finally, after the teacher threatened him with an F for participation, Cho started to read in a strange, deep voice that sounded "like he had something in his mouth," Davids said.

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said......

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bullying; cho; shooter; vatech; virginiatech
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I didn't see this posted yet. This seems to be a common thread with school shooters. What frightens me is that parents seem to be oblivious to all this.........
1 posted on 04/19/2007 10:05:28 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: rrc

I was always the tallest kid in class and it was always the smallest one who would stalk me. I was taught as a Christian to be non-violent. But one day in 10th grade the bully waited for me with a belt in his hand and I snapped and beat the sh!t out of him. Something just took over in my brain like auto-pilot. I was never bothered again after that.


3 posted on 04/19/2007 10:09:53 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (The Right Brothers Rock)
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To: soccermom
If I had gone and held a grudge every time my classmates laughed at me and picked at me, I would have gone on a spree years ago. This is no excuse...Cho was evil inside and couldn’t overcome his overall inert personality.
4 posted on 04/19/2007 10:10:59 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: soccermom

Parents tend to be the first ones in denial. Especially the head of the household in a Korean family.


5 posted on 04/19/2007 10:11:28 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: rrc

I was always heavy and picked on as well, but I stood up for myself enough times and that stopped most of the teasing! I had bad thoughts about my “fellow” students due to that, but I did not go on a killing spree either....

Only a monster would consider wander around killing people at random! Should have been locked up in a rubber room!


6 posted on 04/19/2007 10:12:26 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: rrc

What happened to you, obviously, was wrong. But you are dead on that it didn’t make you a psychotic killer.

Kids have always - and will always - make fun of other kids. Doesn’t matter if you are too fat or too skinny, too tall or too short, too smart or not smart enough, wear glasses, wear braces, wear the wrong color on the wrong day. Everyone gets picked on.


7 posted on 04/19/2007 10:12:29 AM PDT by trimom
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To: soccermom; Jersey Republican Biker Chick

"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said......

Good old school days.  We had a kid like that in our class, quiet Korean kid, but we used to call him "Andy the Inca Boy".  I don't know why we decided he was from Peru, but it sure was funny, and a great way to learn about Incan culture for our more involved taunts!

This nutty shooter talked like he had a mouth full of marbles.  I'd of picked on him too.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

8 posted on 04/19/2007 10:12:52 AM PDT by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: soccermom; eyespysomething
"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said......

Kids used to laugh at me when I had to read out loud in high school, because I said "uh." I didn't appreciate it, but I also didn't go on mass shooting sprees.

Being laughed at is no excuse for murder, and the babies who develop sympathy for this puke because he was laughed at are gullible fools.

9 posted on 04/19/2007 10:13:03 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: soccermom

There’s an article posted at CNN about his family and it quotes the dad as saying that when he was younger they had trouble with him refusing to talk, but that they weren’t aware of his recent problems. So the “not talking” started early.

To be fair to the parents, the kid was 23, and for all we know he may have been estranged from his parents. A 23 year old is not a child, but an adult, and I’m not into blaming parents for the actions of their adult children. We don’t even know if he had regular contact with his parents.


10 posted on 04/19/2007 10:13:04 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: bicyclerepair

I learned early on that the way to deal with a bully was not to go whining to the administration, but by picking up a 2x4....

You generally only have to resort to it ONCE, and the bully’s move on to easier prey.

If you want to see Darwinism in action, observe a group of elementary school students for a while....


11 posted on 04/19/2007 10:13:10 AM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: soccermom

Jeremy spoke in class today


12 posted on 04/19/2007 10:14:14 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: soccermom
Oh, lord.

Just about everybody gets picked on in school. I certainly was - I was the weird skinny geeky girl with braces. But I never went postal yet.

The liberals are finding excuses for this guy already. The Wall Street Journal Online today reprinted a 1993 article titled (I think) "Removing the Guard Rails" -- liberals started making excuses for bad behavior back about the time of the 1968 Chicago Dem Convention riots, and have continued ever since. It has resulted in the disappearance of personal responsibility and accountability. It's never anybody's fault (notice how this sick SOB in his video blames EVERYBODY else for what HE did.)

We don't want to go there. Everybody has the power to choose their actions, and they are responsible for what they do.

13 posted on 04/19/2007 10:14:31 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: rrc

Same here. I was tormented for years. Bullies are terrible. But it doesn’t give you a license to go on a killing spree. I’m much stronger now & I always stand up for myself. This guy was evil in his heart.


14 posted on 04/19/2007 10:14:59 AM PDT by iluvspongebob
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To: rrc

Stephen King and Spielberg were picked on. Not uncommon in public schools.


15 posted on 04/19/2007 10:15:19 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: soccermom

I am an “Asian” looking person. I was raised in Mississippi, during the Vietnam war. I had to put up with all that and more. Gook, Chink, Slant-eyed-N_____, I’ve been called it all. Did I care? Yes, but that was just ignorance on THEIR part, not mine. Was I bullied? Sure, but after a few fights they left me alone in search of easier prey. I didn’t go insane and kill dozens of innocents. This guy took the wrong road, from which there is no return...........


16 posted on 04/19/2007 10:15:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (If it's consensus, it's not science. If it's science, there's no need for consensus......)
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To: Owl_Eagle
We had a kid like that in our class, quiet Korean kid, but we used to call him "Andy the Inca Boy".

For some reason I find that hysterical. LOL

17 posted on 04/19/2007 10:15:53 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: soccermom

Whaa freakin’ whaa! Did he miss his mommy holding it for him while he went too?


18 posted on 04/19/2007 10:16:50 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: soccermom
If I had killed everyone who ever laughed at me there would be quite a pile of dead bodies.

Being laughed at does not excuse murder.

19 posted on 04/19/2007 10:17:07 AM PDT by LibKill ("RUDY GIULIANI" is just "HILLARY CLINTON" misspelled and wearing a dress.)
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To: soccermom

This is a sin issue, nothing but a sin issue, never has been anything but a sin issue.

Remove God from School and something will replace it.

Nature abhors a vacuum.


20 posted on 04/19/2007 10:17:16 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Andy the Inca Boy"


OMG, hilarious!! Sounds like an Adam Sandler SNL skit, like Canteen Boy.
21 posted on 04/19/2007 10:17:56 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: soccermom

The headlines suggest that he was a victim whereas the article suggest this was one distrubed individual. What really let us down is the system who, after multiple times by multiple people, failed to prevent this. One wonders how we expect to “win” the war on terrorism if we simply ignore those who show distrubed behavior.


22 posted on 04/19/2007 10:18:00 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: soccermom
Kids make fun of other kids all the time. It’s how they impose what they see as normal on each other. They laugh at each other for being fat, not being able to tie their shoes, pissing themselves, and so on. This doesn’t make killers out of people.

There’s a huge cry against “bullying” and I think it’s mostly nonsense. Our kids are out of control because they’re so pampered and insulated from criticism. We need to can the whole self-esteem experiment as it’s obviously not working.

23 posted on 04/19/2007 10:18:12 AM PDT by Jaysun (Pave the rainforest.)
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To: rrc
Did you have cooties too? *smile* Remember cooties?

Great post. thank you. I believe Cho had a mental illness which does not excuse what he did. There is no excuse for the evil he did. He was not a victim.

I had a difficult childhood myself and I was determined to rise above what was dished out to me too.

24 posted on 04/19/2007 10:18:17 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: soccermom
Not sympathetic. I also was given a lot of grief in high school, and I've never been prosecuted for murder.

Indicted, sure -- but never prosecuted!

25 posted on 04/19/2007 10:18:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: soccermom
This seems to be a common thread with school shooters.

And millions of other kids, who don't grow up to become mass murderers.

26 posted on 04/19/2007 10:19:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: soccermom

I don’t buy this. Cho was evil. He methodically plotted and planned for Monday’s killing spree. He didn’t snap. He committed an evil, vile act and I hope he burns in hell.


27 posted on 04/19/2007 10:19:16 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: soccermom

It was fairly reliably reported after Columbine that abuse and ridicule of the two shooters by the “Jock Culture” there is what triggered that incident. It also led to a further study of the whole area of “bullying.”

I’d suggest that if a lesson is to be taken away from these rampages is that we all ought to be kinder to one another lest we wind up on the wrong end of a gun.

No excuse for it. Just a possible REASON.

The “Golden Rule” is still in operation — or should be.


28 posted on 04/19/2007 10:19:19 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: soccermom

Here it comes....

Lets find a reason to feel sorry for the mass murderer!

So he killed one person for each time he was picked on.

I don’t buy it. Everyone gets picked on. Some people get picked on more than others. Almost none of them go around killing other people.

And vias-versa. I would guess that Ted Bundy hardly ever got picked on.


29 posted on 04/19/2007 10:20:03 AM PDT by kidd
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To: dawn53
I hate to say it, but Cho sounds like me.

No wonder my co-workers were extra friendly to me yesterday.

30 posted on 04/19/2007 10:20:03 AM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: AnAmericanMother
But I never went postal yet.

So what are you waiting for?

;^)

31 posted on 04/19/2007 10:20:13 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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You obviously had enough self-awareness and whatever else was needed to not let things impact you so deeply. Who knows what this kid’s psychological issues are. There are biological issues that can cause people to have ‘faulty wiring’ about a lot of issues.

The kids was obviously sick, deranged and a danger - bullying can easily be a catalyst at some level in his decision making process. It doesn’t excuse it but it’s a realistic thing to consider.


32 posted on 04/19/2007 10:20:51 AM PDT by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: soccermom

I saw horrific bullying in school too. It’s one of the countless reasons why we homeschool. Don’t want my kids to go through that. It’s so unnecessary.


33 posted on 04/19/2007 10:20:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: rrc
[.. and guess what, im fine, im all grown up now, im married, kids, job, taller, stronger, AND I DIDNT FLIP OUT ON ANYONE..... ]

Exactly.. victimology first manipulates emotions..

34 posted on 04/19/2007 10:21:02 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: trimom

Your”wearing the wrong color on the wrong day”comment reminded me of the unwritten rule at my high school that only”queers”wore green on Thursday as a way to identify fellow gays.I soon made sure I didn’t include that color in my Thursday outfits.
Guys would even make you show your SOCKS to make sure they weren’t green.
The Queer Police at work.


35 posted on 04/19/2007 10:21:14 AM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: bicyclerepair
I was always the tallest kid in class and it was always the smallest one who would stalk me. I was taught as a Christian to be non-violent. But one day in 10th grade the bully waited for me with a belt in his hand and I snapped and beat the sh!t out of him. Something just took over in my brain like auto-pilot. I was never bothered again after that.

Similar experience. "Peter" was the local bully. Used to give us ALL hell.

Then one day I cuffed him so hard he flew across the room.

From then on, people were scared of the "Laz Super Punch".

I never used it for evil, though -- just to give the bullies what-for.

36 posted on 04/19/2007 10:21:18 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: soccermom

Cry me a river.

I was laughed at, bullied and teased from Kindergarten until I was a Senior in high school and got a little size and self-confidence. It never entered my mind to kill any of my tormentors, much less a bunch of people I never knew.

Of course this was before we had a a liberal dominated educational system and media that constantly preach that personal feelings are more important than anything except maybe ‘global warming’.


37 posted on 04/19/2007 10:21:44 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: soccermom
REUTERS
MATT APUZZO

Here we go now, so quick that even I am surprised. Cho was the VICTIM of bullying. Once they get the human factor out of the way, and make everybody feel confused and defeated, then they can really roll out the gun grabbing BS.

Poor Cho, he was laughed at...he was a VICTIM. HAND OVER YOUR GUNS.

38 posted on 04/19/2007 10:22:15 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: soccermom

Anyone who reacts to juvenile taunts in school (which almost all of us experienced at least once or twice in our lives) by murdering innocent people deserves no sympathy.


39 posted on 04/19/2007 10:22:19 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: rrc

Now, you can work on your grammar.


40 posted on 04/19/2007 10:22:57 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998.)
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To: rrc

I got promoted ahead two years in elementary school (private), so when I finally ended up having to go to a public junior high school, I was 11 years old and in eighth grade (the school was 7th-9th). They had an assembly to talk about some magazine sale fundraiser they wanted to do, and I stood up in the back row of the auditorium and asked a question. My voice was so high-pitched, the whole auditorium turned around thinking I was a girl, and when they saw I was a boy, started laughing. Five hundred kids, staring, and a lot of them laughing. And stuff like that continued all through junior high and high school.

Did I fantasize sometimes about getting revenge on my tormentors? Oh yeah, a few times, you bet I did. In detail, right down to the looks on their faces. My dad had rifles and handguns all over our house. I knew where he kept his M1911, a double-barreled shotgun, a really nice .223 varmint rifle, his .30-30 deer rifle. And my brother, just down the hill, had (and still has) a collection of dozens of different firearms of all kinds, all well-maintained. It would’ve been trivial for me to get all the guns I wanted and stash them in my car.

So why didn’t I do it?

BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS WRONG.

Now I’m 40, married to my soulmate, with a lovely toddler daughter, a good-paying tech job that I like, and a Savior that died for me and my sins. (And enough debt to choke a small Third World country, or so it feels sometimes...life can’t be perfect!) While I keep hearing about my high school bullies going through all sorts of bad stuff.

I got my revenge. It just took twenty-five years to do it. And I never had to pull a trigger to make it happen.

}:-)4


41 posted on 04/19/2007 10:23:24 AM PDT by Moose4 (Today, we are all Hokies.)
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To: Lazamataz

lol. you are so strange


42 posted on 04/19/2007 10:23:54 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: macamadamia
"Andy the Inca Boy"

They used to call me "Jason, Jason, Masturbation". Because it rhymed, I guess. So I pulled it out in class one day and waved it in their faces. No, I didn't. The point is that nobody is immune from being "picked on" and it's mostly harmless.
43 posted on 04/19/2007 10:24:07 AM PDT by Jaysun (Pave the rainforest.)
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To: Disambiguator
Too lazy.

;-)

44 posted on 04/19/2007 10:25:00 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: rrc
i was picked on like crazy as a kid in school. i was the little skinny kid who was afraid and didnt know how to fight...i got whipped and insulted daily...

Not quite that bad but a lot of the same.

I intend to teach my sons to stand up for themselves at a very early age. My parents, for some unkown reason, didn't want to fight back.

It's fun now when I meet those guys and I am half a head taller and much broader in the shoulders now. The look on their faces is pricless.

45 posted on 04/19/2007 10:25:24 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: rrc

Everyone gets picked on at one time or another.
It builds character. Life ain’t fair.

If they are trying to garner sympathy for this little POS...... fuggedaboutit.


47 posted on 04/19/2007 10:26:40 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: soccermom

We knew this story was coming. America, racist, sexist, homophobe. Bet this never even happened and is a fictional account by a creative liberal mediaho.

Pray for W and Our Troops


48 posted on 04/19/2007 10:26:59 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: soccermom
"As soon as he started reading, the whole class started laughing and pointing and saying, `Go back to China,'" Davids said

Unclassy high school still. I could understand this "whole class laughing" behavior in elementary and middle school though.

Fairfax is also heavily liberal. Just shows how racially tolerant liberals truly are.
49 posted on 04/19/2007 10:27:22 AM PDT by ribosomal soup
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To: rrc

its media attention that makes the weak minded folks who got picked on and let it hurt them rationalize their grand retaliation.


50 posted on 04/19/2007 10:27:29 AM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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