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Will FR embrace socialism to make way for Rudy Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate?
vanity | April 21, 2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/21/2007 6:42:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Man50D
No problem. I appreciate your Conservative passion. At least there is two of us!

Nice thing is, there are many more than you and me!

2,481 posted on 04/22/2007 12:33:29 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: Blackirish; TitansAFC; FreeReign

BTW, this response and others like it, many from rudy people, is exactly what I’m talking about when I said I’m tired of having to watch over my shoulder for attacks from the foxhole.

A freeper accused other freepers of saying they would “vote for hillary”. I simply asked who they were. And I’ve had to spend over a half hour of posting since that time defending my question and the fact that nobody has answered it.

It’s a waste of my time. My question was a simple one — back up your claims.

Apparently some people think they can make claims without evidence, and then ridicule others for wanting the proof. It’s tiresome.


2,482 posted on 04/22/2007 12:34:35 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I am not a college instructor, not even a part-time one, nor am I at university. I am a researcher, and students occur to me as infrequent part-time laboratory assistants. And then they are indeed to be shaped, as the apprentices of old.
2,483 posted on 04/22/2007 12:34:37 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Bumpin’ backatcha. ;o)


2,484 posted on 04/22/2007 12:35:05 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: Reagan Man
Obviously, you're wanting to follow Peach to never never land. I approve. Go for it!

Of course you would, Reagan Embarrassment, everyone you can divide is your score toward victory and your victory is total FR irrelevance and conservative defeat.

2,485 posted on 04/22/2007 12:37:09 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"The entire image of Conservatism has become unappealing to the American Public."

Then obviously you are no conservative. I suggest if you wish to win with a liberal you're in the wrong party. If you wish to win with an abortion loving, gay rights loving, illegal alien loving, gun grabbing liberal you should become a Democrat. We are NOT going to allow you (the collective you) to take the Republican any further to the left. It's way too far left already. We're going to take it back to the right and if you can't live with that, then get the hell out!

2,486 posted on 04/22/2007 12:37:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
FR fights against the liberals/Democrats in all of these areas and always will

We'll go with the least socialist candidate everytime. But since the DEMS have the Urban vote programmed so well, it seems like RG is kind of like sending in a dirty player to save the game and live to fight another day.

2,487 posted on 04/22/2007 12:37:15 PM PDT by alrea
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I posted a simple comment a few hundred comments ago.

Your response was to respond to me with over 6 SEPARATE comments.

That wasn’t friendly, and it illustrated exactly one of my complaints about the rudy supporters, spamming and multiple posting and making it impossible to have a conversation.

How am I expected to continue a conversation in response to my comment when I’d have to respond to more than 6 different responses? With my luck, you’d respond 6 times to each of those, and I’d have soon spend all my waking hours just trying to keep track of your thousands of comments to me.

Maybe you just didn’t know what you were doing, but I think you are smart enough that you understand that answering each line of a post as a separate comment is a tactic designed for ONE THING, and that is to pretend you are responding but make it impossible to continue the conversation.

Which isn’t a very “friendly” way to respond to a substantive post, for someone who is so concerned about “hate responses”.

And you must have blinders on if you think the attacks are initiated or largely by the anti-rudy side, even though there are lots more anti-rudy people than pro-rudy people.


2,488 posted on 04/22/2007 12:39:20 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: alrea

“We’ll go with the least socialist candidate everytime. But since the DEMS have the Urban vote programmed so well, it seems like RG is kind of like sending in a dirty player to save the game and live to fight another day.”

Sending in rudy giuliani is like sending in a player that has on your team’s jersey, but scores points for the other team.


2,489 posted on 04/22/2007 12:40:19 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: OldFriend
One thing is certainly clear, FR is all about gays and abortions and NOTHING at all about national security.

I know you don't quite mean that literally; hyperbole is not your friend, OldFriend...

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2,490 posted on 04/22/2007 12:40:26 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You really don't get it do you. The GOP is at a significant crossroads here. Either it's going to represent tried-and-true conservatism that has made them a winner, or they're going to adopt the Rockefeller, quasi-socialist model that always split the party and causes them to lose.
2,491 posted on 04/22/2007 12:40:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I didn’t feel friendly.


2,492 posted on 04/22/2007 12:40:35 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: arasina

Long time no see. Hope things are going well with you.


2,493 posted on 04/22/2007 12:40:58 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: GSlob

Are you still discussing this? I can’t believe anybody had any trouble understanding you. If you can get away with not spending anything, you will be happy not to.

But if someone is going to be on welfare and cost the taxpayers $100,000, you would much rather pay $500 to have them murdered, because it will cost you less.


2,494 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:16 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Spyder
I don't know if your question has been answered, yet, but I believe you are referring to Exodus 21:22?

The English translation shows the word to mean "miscarriage", though the Hebrew word is "yasa" which actually means "to come forth". The word, itself, does not imply death, though the English word obviously does. So why presume the child is dead? If the writer wanted to imply death, he could have actually chosen the word that does. Moses uses "miscarriage" in other places, why not here? Most likely because the word is implying that the injury brings about the premature birth of the child. In fact the NASB translation, which is word-for-word says,

"If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide."

So, no, the Lord does not view the unborn child as less valuable than that of someone outside of the womb. In fact, scripture is quite clear in other places of the value God places on the unborn child, and that He is at the very beginning of the process.

2,495 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:22 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: processing please hold

And if you hadn’t tried to use Christianity as a weapon, I might have been inclined to answer it.


2,496 posted on 04/22/2007 12:41:45 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops. NOW more than ever!!.)
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To: flashbunny

“Sending in rudy giuliani is like sending in a player that has on your team’s jersey, but scores points for the other team.”

It is tantamount to a real conservative slitting his own throat!


2,497 posted on 04/22/2007 12:43:12 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I see you finally filtered it.


2,498 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:11 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Peach
Rudy has been moderating his position on abortion, saying it’s up to the states which, last I knew, conservatives endorsed states rights.

Moderating? He advocates that abortions be paid for with taxpayer 'funds'. (The irony of which is that we Conservative taxpayers have no 'CHOICE' in the matter once it is dictated by those we elect to 'represent' us.) Rudy Giuliani speaks with forked tongue, Peach. Like a snake.

2,499 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:25 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: conservative in nyc

Neither of those are applicable. In the first case, you forced them to vote for one or the other. That person wouldn’t have voted for Hillary if you hadn’t forced them to.

The second said he’d vote for hillary if she changed her positions. That doesn’t count — if Hillary started preaching conservative values I’d vote for her over Rudy, even if she had a “D” by her name. But only if I trusted her, which I wouldn’t.

What all these examples being brought up shows is that freepers really DON’T want to say they would vote for Hillary. They find it abhorent to even THINK of voting for Hillary.

And they are pissed that some “conservatives” are supporting a candidate that is so bad that they even have to consider voting for Hillary.

But they won’t vote for Hillary. At least not these two (unless you put a gun to their heads and change Hillary into a conservative).


2,500 posted on 04/22/2007 12:44:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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