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To: Man50D

1) “Social Conservative” is a term ACTUALLY used to describe those to whom social issues (anti-abortion, anti-gay, etc) are far more important than any other issues.

2) Ok, so your definition of “socialism” is? (and no, it’s not “anything I disgree with”.)


138 posted on 04/21/2007 7:20:57 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist; Kevmo
1) “Social Conservative” is a term ACTUALLY used to describe those to whom social issues (anti-abortion, anti-gay, etc) are far more important than any other issues.

That is one interpretation. The problem is ther are other interpretions. Below are some other interpretations/examples provided by Wikipedia:

1. As with matters related to the family, social conservatives do not generally agree among themselves about even these issues. Many social conservatives reach the conclusion that their respect for traditional notions of individual autonomy, limited governmental power, and privacy require them to support a pro-choice policy on abortion (as explained in "Bearing Right" by William Saletan, former U.S. President Bill Clinton and U.S. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton are well-known advocates of this viewpoint.)

2. There is no necessary link between Social and Economic or Fiscal Conservatism. In fact, some Social Conservatives are otherwise apolitical or even left-wing on fiscal issues. For example, Social Conservatives may also support a degree of government intervention in economic life for what they feel is to the benefit of the community, and as such will tend to support the concept of a social market economy to further this aim. This concern for material welfare, like advocacy of traditional mores, will often have a basis in the religion of the Social Conservatives in question. Examples of such Social Conservatives include the Christian Social Union of Bavaria, the Family First and Democratic Labor Party of Australia,the so-called red tory movement in Canada, and possibly the Communitarian movement in the United States.

Note Communitarian has the following meaning:

Communitarianism as a group of related but distinct philosophies began in the late 20th century, opposing radical individualism, and other similar philosophies while advocating phenomena such as civil society. Not necessarily hostile to social liberalism or even social democracy, communitarianism rather has a different emphasis, shifting the focus of interest toward communities and societies and away from the individual. The question of priority, whether on the individual or community, often has the largest impact in the most pressing ethical questions, such as poverty, abortion, multiculturalism, and hate speech.

I'm not saying Wikipedia is the sole source of definitions. I am saying this illustrates the point I have been making that this term along with "moderate Republican" have convoluted meanings. People who espouse this philosophy are trying to pass themselves as true Conservative while willing to embrace at least some socialist views. "Socons" as kevmo states, are faux conservatives. People allowing socialists to pass themselves as conservatives are unknowingly or willingly aiding and abetting the socialists to destroy not only the Conservative values once held by the Republican party but also this country.

Ok, so your definition of “socialism” is?

I refer back to the description of Social Conservative above:

In fact, some Social Conservatives are otherwise apolitical or even left-wing on fiscal issues. For example, Social Conservatives may also support a degree of government intervention in economic life for what they feel is to the benefit of the community, and as such will tend to support the concept of a social market economy to further this aim.

This definition confirms both parties are advocating government control of the means of production.
1,776 posted on 04/22/2007 7:11:03 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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