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To: Spiff; The_Eaglet
This whole Republic was based upon theocratic principles. ~~ Spiff

No, respectfully, that's incorrect.

The Republic is based upon TheoNomic Principles (literally, "God's Law"), not TheoCracy (literally, "God is King").

It is both desirable and virtuous to seek the organization of Government according to a Biblical Theonomy -- a sacrosanct respect for Life, Liberty, and Property, according to an organization favoring Decentralization and Constitutionalism (exmaples from Deuteronomy and Daniel available on request).

But it is both dangerous and un-Biblical to seek any sort of Theocracy of Men until the Return of Jesus Christ. No mortal Man of Politics is properly qualified to be Theocrat, except for Him.

"We Have No King But Jesus" -- Calvinist War-Cry during the "Presbyterian Rebellion" as it was called in England (i.e., "The American Revolution" as it is called over here).

Best, OP

1,988 posted on 04/22/2007 9:21:27 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (Please Ping or FReepMail me to be added to the Great Ron Paul Ping List)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

You’re right. I stand corrected. But my point to that poster was that the Founding Fathers did not dismiss God and religious teachings from our government, they founded our government based upon God and their religious backgrounds.


2,039 posted on 04/22/2007 9:42:30 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; Jim Robinson; EternalVigilance; ohioWfan; Cindy; Alamo-Girl; wagglebee; ...
One of the most important points I've ever seen made on FR. Especially right now at this point in our Country's history.

The Republic is based upon TheoNomic Principles (literally, "God's Law"), not TheoCracy (literally, "God is King").

It is both desirable and virtuous to seek the organization of Government according to a Biblical Theonomy -- a sacrosanct respect for Life, Liberty, and Property, according to an organization favoring Decentralization and Constitutionalism (exmaples from Deuteronomy and Daniel available on request).

But it is both dangerous and un-Biblical to seek any sort of Theocracy of Men until the Return of Jesus Christ. No mortal Man of Politics is properly qualified to be Theocrat, except for Him.


God's ("Moral") Laws are absolute and there are those who are striving to drag FR and especially America entirely out of the realm of faith and into the secularized fiscal-conservatism leavened Mammon that is Cultural Marxism.

Why the Pledge of Allegiance Matters--Speech by Tom McClintock
There is a reason behind the movement to strike the words "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance--and from our national customs, and our currency, and our public ceremonies. It has very little to do with atheism. It has a great deal to do with authoritarianism. The philosophy of the American Founding is unique among the nations of the world because of a bedrock principle that was given expression with words in the Declaration of Independence that are old and familiar, and yet...
Why the Pledge of Allegiance Matters--Speech by Tom McClintock
2,548 posted on 04/22/2007 1:06:16 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

“It is both desirable and virtuous to seek the organization of Government according to a Biblical Theonomy — a sacrosanct respect for Life, Liberty, and Property, according to an organization favoring Decentralization and Constitutionalism (exmaples from Deuteronomy and Daniel available on request).”


Outstanding, as previously noted. I’d love seeing your examples, please.


4,132 posted on 04/22/2007 9:43:10 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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