I think that’s what annoys me about the rudy supporters. I love debating with them over the actual record and beliefs of their candidate and my candidate and other candidates. I don’t care how “crass” their charges are, if they are about facts, I can handle it.
But this is a conservative site, and to come here and tell us conservatism is dead and we need to move on, that nobody will vote pro-life so we need to vote pro-abortion, that rudy is inevitable so we shouldn’t talk about his flaws because it will hurt him in the general election, or my favorite “that we are violating Reagan’s 11th commandment”, well that rubbed me the wrong way.
That’s why I started calling them defeatists. They have decided that conservatism has lost the war, and are suing for terms of surrender now. That makes them as “treasonous” to the cause of conservatism as Harry Reid is for his comments that we LOST the war in Iraq while we are still fighting it.
They day may come when the hearts of conservatives shall fail, but it is not this day.
I said on another post that the problem that Rudy supporters have is that they can't argue for Rudy as a conservative candidate on an issue by issue basis. They only have their contention that he is the strongest candidate on the WOT and he can beat Hillary.
In an effort to TRY to argue on an issue by issue basis they were having to contort to get anything conservative out of his liberal stances that they could. In abortion discussions the only truthful answer for Rudy's position is that he is pro-abortion. In threads on abortion I've seen his supporters say that Rudy was only a little pro-choice, that Rudy was more pro-life than he was pro-choice, and the ever popular, Rudy will be better than Hillary on abortion. All of those statements are just absurd.
If you run down the line of conservative issues - abortion, gun control, immigration, gay rights, etc. all we were getting were absurd versions of Rudy's views in thread after thread. Rudy's supporters would be much more accepted and respected if they would just be truthful about their candidates positions.
Most of them will tell you that the only reason they are supporting Rudy is because of the WOT and fears that he is the only one that can beat Hillary, so why don't they just run with that and be truthful about the rest of his positions? They would have gotten a lot less grief around here for sure.
You know the Ron Paul supporters don't have an easy row to hoe on this forum, but at least they are truthful about his positions. They will just out and out say yeah he doesn't believe in the war, then launch into to telling you why he takes his position. They don't say he had to take that strong view against the war because of his constituents, they don't tell you he is only a little anti-war and they don't tell you that his position is going to soften when he is actually President because we were so nice to vote him in. I can respect them for being truthful and not making absurd assertions just to get support.
Me also.