Making conservatives feel welcome? Which conservatives are those? Certainly not fiscal conservatives. Or law and order conservatives. Ooh, ooh - wait. You mean making social conservatives feel at home.
You mean those social issues that were barely mentioned last year by freepers who were so ticked off at the big spending by Congressional Republicans. Or those social issues that weren’t mentioned at all in Newt’s Contract with Americ.
You’re not making sense.
You said that Jim was just making conservatives feel at home again. And I said which conservatives are those? Certainly not fiscal conservatives. Or law and order conservatives. Maybe he’s making socons feel at home, but since when are those the only conservatives?
If those were the most important conservatives, why didn’t Newt’s Contract with America mention one single sentence about abortion or guns?
If socons were so concerned with abortion why did they spend most of last year complaining about spending (fiscal conservative issues) instead of abortion? It’s like they’re unappeasable.
Peach wrote: “Making conservatives feel welcome? Which conservatives are those? Certainly not fiscal conservatives. Or law and order conservatives. Ooh, ooh - wait. You mean making social conservatives feel at home.”
That’s a bogus argument, Peach. Most conservatives can’t be so conveniently classified as that. Most conservatives I know are conservative in their views on social, fiscal and security issues.
Most people I know who are liberal on social issues but conservative on fiscal issues are libertarians, not conservatives.
Joe Lieberman is conservative on L&O and security issues, but he’s a liberal on most everything else, and not even close to being a conservative overall.
The Issues2000 website classified Rudy as a libertarian-leaning moderate, which is an arguable point. He’s just so liberal on the four real hot-button social issues (abortion, illegal immigration, gays and guns) that conservatives who believe in fiscal restraint, security AND traditional values can’t bring ourselves to even consider him.
Rudy’s support of social tinkering on any one or two of these issues would be deal breakers by themselves, but ALL FOUR?
Unacceptable.
And even if Rudy is a moderate, what good is that? The GOP moderates and their suicidal tendency to go along with liberal Dimocracks have made a real mess of the Republican Party and the nation.
It’s going to take a lot of hard work just to get the country back on the path Ronald Reagan set it upon a little over a quarter-century ago. this is not a job that we can trust a moderate or a liberal to do. We need a conservative for this task.
I'm all three types of conservative that you list. But my social conservative side has taken a beaten by you and yours for far too long.
You all beat up on the fiscal conservatives here who criticized Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress for unprecedented increases in discretionary domestic spending. Now you want to wear the fiscal conservative mantel. No way.
You all also beat up on the law and order conservatives who criticized Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress for refusing to enforce immigration laws, failing to prosecute law-breaking employers, and for proposing amnesty for the illegal aliens' and their employers' crimes. Now you want to pretend that YOU are the law and order conservatives. Fat chance.
Then you beat up on the national security conservatives who wanted our borders sealed after 9/11 and continued to call for border barriers and military on the border ever since. Many of the Rudybots (some now banned) were the ones calling national security conservatives who demanded better border security things like "racist", "xenophobe" and other liberal nonsense. Now you want to be the national security conservatives. That's not credible either.
You just don't have any credibility as a conservative. Now you have even less as you promote a liberal abortionist, homosexualist, gun-grabbing, draft dodging serial adulterer to be the GOP presidential candidate.
Real conservatives are feeling more welcome here as the liberals who have been attacking them are being shown the writing on the wall. Support conservatives and conservatism or take a hike. We don't need you distraction and disruption here. We've got better things to do and it doesn't involve promoting liberals and their liberalism.