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How Hitler cheated death in 1943 coup... thanks to the Allies
Scotland on Sunday ^ | April 22, 2007 | by MURDO MACLEOD

Posted on 04/22/2007 7:56:23 PM PDT by aculeus

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To: Tailgunner Joe
The plotters may have hoped for a separate peace with the US and UK was Hitler was gone, but such a deal was unlikely, and they'd have to keep fighting the Soviets regardless.

My understanding is the suing for peace with UK and US and continuing the war against the Soviet Union was exactly the plan by the Stauffenberg group in 1944. And I believe that plan had the backing of UK intelligence and was signed off by Churchill.

41 posted on 04/23/2007 6:18:37 AM PDT by Toskrin (It didn't seem nostalgic when I was doing it)
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To: Ancesthntr

“Uh, yes they were. North Africa and Sicily were already lost, and the allies had invaded Italy. We were bombing Germany nightly, and the U-boat fleet was under very heavy pressure. On the Eastern Front, Stalingrad had been lost completely in January of ‘43, and Kursk’s massive loss was the prior summer. If that’s not losing, what is?”

Invading two sovereign nations, establishing bases, supporting the formation of a new governments constitutions, overseeing the formation and training of new national armies while fighting off daily attacks from the fifth column in Congress at the cost of 3000 lives over 5 years.


42 posted on 04/23/2007 6:31:14 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: poindexter
...all that would be necessary would be to pull out a Luger and shoot him...

Hitler's guards were elite professionals with what seemed a sixth sense. Albert Speers once thought of gassing Hitler's bunker. The next day the air vents were extended fourty feet above the ground, surrounded by wire, and guarded. You can bet that nobody could bring any sort of weapon close to Hitler.

43 posted on 04/23/2007 6:39:16 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: nickcarraway
The full story - which surpasses any Hollywood war movie for drama, farce and ironic twists - has been uncovered by a German academic who closely examined detailed records left behind by the plotters.

Well, I'm sure we can trust the plotters to be accurate in describing their own intentions, right? After all, history can best be told by those that lived it. German military officers can tell us better than anyone what they were thinking during World War II.

Let's see what else this German has uncovered. In his History of the German Resistance, Professor Hoffman writes:

"Viewed from Washington, however, The United States was not merely fighting the Nazi regime but a people permeated by an illiberal ideology who had learnt nothing from a fearful defeat in another similarly imperialist war. In face of Hitler's claim to total power a total victory must be won. Looked at in this light, the American government, as Lochner was informed, could only be embarrassed if it learnt and was forced to acknowledge that an anti-Hitler opposition existed in Germany, capable of taking over the government." - Page 215

In other words, the German resistance wasn't to blame for failing to kill Hitler, we are, for not helping them. They are trying to say that the Normandy invasion was unnecessary because we could have ended the war in 1943, but instead we served Soviet interests by giving Stalin his second front. In fact, the D-day invasion saved western Europe from the Soviets.

The truth is that the German resistance shares in the guilt of the Nazi regime. Henning von Tresckow fought in World War I and after the war he helped the FreiKorps fight the communists. When the Nazis came to power, he supported them! What really upset him and other German officers was when Hitler removed General von Blomberg from his office as minister of war and weakened the Army High Command by subordinating it to the OKW, a kind of Joint Chiefs of Staff. Von Tresckow didn't seem to mind though, when the man in charge was General von Blomberg, a fanatical nazi and one of Hitler's most ardent supporters! Finally, if von Tresckow was so against the war, then why did he fight in it!? He participated in the very atrocity he condemned! That makes him a hypocrite!

In Stauffenbergs's later plot against Hitler they planned to place General Rommel in charge. Do you really think Rommel led German troops in battle in World War II because he didn't want Germany to win? Because he wanted to surrender because he wanted "peace?" It's absurd! This plot cost Rommel his life, but he refused to take part in it! In the end Rommel was loyal to his nation, and to his Fuhrer.

44 posted on 04/23/2007 7:48:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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The uniforms were among the casualties from two nights of bombing raids on Berlin, so the plot was abandoned.
IOW, the headline is a ridiculous lie.
45 posted on 04/24/2007 9:36:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Tuesday, April 24, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m not claiming to know what the plotter’s actual intentions were, just what this article said.


46 posted on 04/24/2007 1:55:41 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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