Posted on 04/23/2007 11:25:33 AM PDT by WalterSkinner
Why did you did you allocate millions of dollars in pork to a large campaign contributor for the computerization of military records even though the Department of defense did not request, did not need, and did not want the project?
You bring this stupidity up every chance you get, don’t you.
Here, here!
>Hunter is more conservative than Fred Thompson.<
>>Not if you consider limiting the role of government to be
tenant of conservatism.<<
Oh, rob, you really must consider reading the entire article in this thread before posting your weightless opinion here.
Credible sources? Let's see 'em.
I meant to include you in my post #64.
I meant to include you in my post #64.
See #58, for starters.
I bring up the truth. The stupid award goes to those who spend so much time and energy standing behind a career politician who enjoys spending our money on projects that primarily benefit his campaign benefactors, even though his presidential campaign is going nowhere fast.
So do you consider some of the biggest expansions of federal government spending and interference in education and health care (No Child Left Behind and the Medicare expansion) to be "limiting the role of government" then?
Like I've said before and I'll say again, I like Duncan Hunter, but he is NOT all that. Hunter supporters have managed to convince at least themselves that Hunter is this absolutely, 100%, everything-we-could-ever-hope-for-and-chocolate-icing-too candidate, which he just isn't. He's conservative, I agree. Is he perfect? No.
Hey guys, are we on the same side or not? Do we want to waste energy in flame wars between Hunter and Thompson supporters, or do we want to channel our energies to doing what needs to be done, which is making sure Giuliani doesn’t get the nomination?
We went over this before. You rail about a few million some hack in the Pentagon did not want spent scanning in old documents, but fail to see that Hunter has been force feeding the Pentagon things its political handlers have been trying to kill. Like extra warships, extra C-17s and missile defenses.
They always come in with something that someone told them and they didn’t even bother to research the facts as evidenced by the lack of sources to support their assertions.
Good morning! Porkbarreling is the method of buying Congressional votes to support a sponsored bill. Show me a bill sponsored by Duncan Hunter you think was not good for the country, TQC.
I agree with you Titus. I don’t think we need to bring rumors and gossip about Hunter or Fred into any discussions about the differences between their views. Both of them are good conservatives and we don’t have to tear any good conservatives down to support and promote another conservative candidate.
Nope, porkbarreling is defined at http://www.answers.com/topic/pork-barrel as,
"A government project or appropriation that yields jobs or other benefits to a specific locale and patronage opportunities to its political representative."
In other words, when a Representative tacks onto a bill something like, say, subsidies for the mohair growers or spending on research for using ethanol in biofuels, that is porkbarreling because certain constituents back home will see benefits from this spending. Whenever a "Robert Byrd US Postal Station" goes up in Cousin Marry Hollow, West Virginia, that's pork.
Duncan's record on spending, partly detailed in the link in #58, isn't so good, and a lot of what he's voted to spend has been for things that benefit his constituents, but which aren't necessarily pertinent to the bills to which the spending is attached.
Look, I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Hunter has his problems too. ALL the candidates do. Despite this, Hunter is about the best one in the race, short of Fred Thompson, but this doesn't make Hunter immune to justified criticisms of his past performance. Sorry, but just because you've (I'm speaking generally of Hunter supporters here) cast your candidate at the great outsider who's the "only" true conservative in the race, doesn't mean he can't be scrutinised as well.
>Is he perfect? No.<
If you are looking for perfection in a human being, you are whistling in the wind, for no man is perfect, no not one.
As for expansion of government, I would not have voted for No Child Left Behind, and the medicare prescription drug inclusion. NCLB is a disaster, and only the pharmaceuticals have gained with the medicare amendment. (The pharms own Washington D.C.) The man has to be excused for two mistakes in 26 years of service, don’t you think?
Ronald Reagan presided over the largest governmental expansion in history. And he was one of our great presidents.
Being a purest, my definition of Porkbarreling is the original. All things become corrupt in time, especially in government. But it’s all we have, and it is the best in the world right now. Don’t worry, Titus, you have not burst my “bubble”. The fire in my belly rages on. Your ambiguity on Duncan Hunter - is it meant to help or to hurt him? You come across as a hurter of the first water.
*sighs*
Look, there are negatives with each and every candidate.
Duncan Hunter’s negative is that he’s got a knack for spending (mostly military, but some non-defense stuff as well). In his defense, he voted for NCLB because of the accountability it would bring to teachers, students, and schools over the usual Republican choice of non-federal intervention. He is, however, supporting a bill by another representative that would return control of these paticular programs to the state/local level, so long as they would abide by the standards of NCLB.
Fred Thompson’s negatives were that he advocated CFR and (IIRC, correct me if I’m mistaken) went soft on Clinton during the impeachment trials.
But considering the rest of the field, these two men come out smelling like roses. I’d be proud to vote for either of them.
Let’s not tear up the conservative guys in the race (though it would be wise to list their negatives, so that we can be prepared for counters); post their respective virtues and let the people decide. Leave the tearing up to liberals like the Democrats and Rudy McRomney.
My first choice is Hunter. Though I’d vote for Fred too.
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