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To: webboy45
The militia issue is a red herring.

I agree. I am still hung up on the "well-regulated" part however. I have heard some arguments that the meaning of "regulated" has changed over the centuries and I can understand but am not 100% convinced.

What is your take on the "regulation" requirement?

44 posted on 04/25/2007 12:21:14 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I don't care what side of the debate you are on: Weather is not Climate)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Obviously, a well-regulated militia is one that is trained well.


46 posted on 04/25/2007 3:23:09 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
I agree. I am still hung up on the "well-regulated" part however. I have heard some arguments that the meaning of "regulated" has changed over the centuries and I can understand but am not 100% convinced.

What is your take on the "regulation" requirement?

It's easier to understand when you consider the historical context in which it was written. The colonies had just defeated the British militarily, but that victory had not come easily, for obvious reasons and unobvious ones---one of the latter being that it was very difficult to keep an irregular army (continentals + militia) supplied and on the field of battle. Think of it---there were no standards at all---militiamen, especially, carried their own weapons, meaning that those could be any caliber at all . . . same with heavy pieces, etc. Keeping this sort of rag-tag force on the field was a logistical nightmare.

Well-regulated, in the sense that it applies to the militia phrase of the Second Amendment, means well-ordered, so that such a force would be easier to supply and maintain on a field of battle. Not only in terms of supply, mind you, but in chain of command, too. Remember, also, that the Federal government planned to maintain a skeletal standing army (and no Navy at all), so the ability to whip the militias into a fighting force in the least amount of time was paramount. Hence, the requirement that the militia be well-regulated.

71 posted on 04/25/2007 7:50:53 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

JM.02

Well-regulated...well equipped and functioning in a proper manner


114 posted on 04/25/2007 9:32:04 AM PDT by T Wayne (If you know how many guns you have, you don't have enough!!!)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Hope this helps. Meaning of words change over time. From dictionary.com Regulated:.
1. to control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.: to regulate household expenses.
2. to adjust to some standard or requirement, as amount, degree, etc.: to regulate the temperature.
3. to adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation: to regulate a watch.
4. to put in good order: to regulate the digestion.

135 posted on 04/25/2007 3:52:31 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Hoping my 'carbon footprint' has crushed a few liberals)
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