Posted on 04/29/2007 9:04:55 AM PDT by drzz
Video: the Custer legacy from the 1900s through WWII, the Vietnam war, the Iraq war.
drzz,
I like your style. Ignore the guy who said “Lose the star wars style text.”
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We are in war, drzz. We are in a different type of war. The wars in future will be fought by propaganda not by bullets. We are much part of it as the soldiers who fight it. The Jihadist and their supporters will win if we sit on our lazy boys watching the History Channel.
President Bush can’t win hearts and minds alone. We as citizens who care about our grand childrens future will need to step up to the plate. We need get out there and use our media talents to persaude the American public and around the world.
We can dramatize the “Pre-War Document” and “Able Danger” to educate the people via U-tube.
We need to educate people about Saddam’s and his connections with terrorist organizations like al Queda. The Truth is out there but its being totally ignored by the press. Bush is too busy doing other things and its up to the grassroots people to start banging the drums very loud.
I totally agree with you !
Ignore the press - people get more and more informed by the web, and Freerepublic is just an atomic bomb on the Web. Remember the 2004 elections and the false Bush’s records which were unmasked by Freepers.
Freerepublic is a strength. Its article are missiles.
Thank you BTW for your comments on the video!
Damn it, I screwed the video ! It’s not that one !
It’s that one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwmbCWz7Dxg
2) Fox shows there was no "last stand hill."
3) All of the errors Custer committed---and I'm no fan of Reno, and he did not act judiciously---were errors made by the MISunderstanding that the Indians were fleeing. He not only divided his command into fourths (McDougall, Benteen, Reno, and his own) but Fox shows he FURTHER subdivided his own command by leaving two troops on Keough Hill, one on what would be Custer Hill, then moved far to the back of the Indian village to cut of the "retreat." This part of the battle likely lasted at least 30 minutes. Fox shows that the Indians slowly infiltrated the perimiter commanded by Custer's men, and when Custer found that the Indians were not retreating, but instead were gathering to attack him (and were already attacking Reno), he hustled to re-form with his other three troops.
4) By that time, they were already under attack, and Reno had already retreated. Most evidence, and MOST Indians, say they did not run from Reno because of any perceived threat he presented, but to join in the attack on Custer. At any rate, by the time Reno could have re-formed his men and ridden to the hills where Custer was, it still would have been over. (One cannot selectively use Indian quotations here: some said one thing, some said another).
5) Back on Keogh Hill, it was decided that the situation was precarious, and they rode WEST to join up on Custer Hill with the 3d troop Custer left there---remember, he is FURTHER west seeking to reunite with that troop when he was cut off.
6) Fox NEVER found a "last stand" hill, or even so much as a "skirmish line." The reason is that the Indians infilatrated the perimeter slowly, the Keough's situation collapsed rapidly. Some of them made it to Custer Hill---others retreated northeast, where they were instantly killed.
My own research on this---and I've done a lot---suggests that the ONLY hope Custer had was to initially recognize he was fighting the entire force of Indians; to attack, unified with all seven troops plus pack animals from ONE direction; to form a skirmish line and take advantage of the Western Way of War. He was doomed the minute he thought the Indians were fleeing and split his forces to "envelop" them.
Nice Post!
If you read some accounts of the Battle of Gettysburg, they credit Custer with preventing Stuart’s cavalry from getting in behind the Union lines thus preventing Lee from his prefered pincer movement. Interesting stuff!
bttt
I am sorry, but Fox is not supported by recent researchs. Shell hunters have picked shells since 1876 and thousands of them disappeared before Fox arrived on the field.
The latest National Park Service researchs show that 200 Indians were killed on the battlefield alone (not including wounded and dead by their wounds) which clearly show great resistance by Custer’s men, which is supported by every Indian testimony if you put them in a timeline (Fox only takes the testimonies of the last moments of the battle, of course the soldiers were running, their lines had broken. But before that moment, hours of great resistance!)See
http://custer.over-blog.com/
and
And he did.
His charge prevented Stuart of going in the rear of the entire Potomac army. A place in Gettysburg is harboring today Custer’s name.
Watch the video:
http://custer.over-blog.com/
“He was doomed the minute he thought the Indians were fleeing and split his forces to “envelop” them.”
I cannot imagine the thoughts and emotions Custer felt the moment he realized his error.
Y'all might want to read this.
ping to above
Read Fox’s book. While somewhat technical, his insights are thoughtful, and he has absolutely done his homework. I admit there are some problems with his approach-—certainly people have taken away many of the cartridge casings. But he makes a great point about the fact that the grave sites have BEEN MOVED, and are NOT where the men actually fell. This is well documented.
Fox completely accounts for the missing cartridges by assessing fire rates, but even if he doesn't how do you account for cavalry cartridges being hundreds and hundreds of yards away from where everyone previously thought they were?
He clearly shows Custer's mentality was one of preventing escape, not forming a battle line at any point. And his story completely comports with Victor Hanson's "Western Way Of War" analysis that suggests the only way Custer's men could have been beaten was if they were infiltrated and strung out. Moreover, Indian testimony must be put in the context of time (which Fox does) NOT just in the "last moments."
Purveyors of the Custer myth want to exculpate him by blaming Reno or Benteen, which is silly. Reno was not a good subordinate, but Miles, who got there MUCH later, did not do his research. There was no way, given the area to be traversed, and the river to be crossed, not to mention the fear that the Indians were merely regrouping, that Reno could have rescued Custer. Instead, there would have been 500 dead instead of 264 or whatever the final number was.
Most military historians go so far as to agree that EVEN if Custer had taken two companies of the other U.S. cavalry (I think the 2nd) offered him by Terry AND kept his original force together, the mentality of "preventing escape" still would have doomed him. And, yes, Fox is completely supported by recent research.
Not 800, 647, and only 210 fought the Indians on Custer battlefield, when 200 dead Indians were counted on this battlefield alone (not counted the wounded and dead by wounds.
Fox does not put Indian testimonies in context, not at all, and it’s the weakest link of his book. He only uses every Indian testimony of the end of the battle and distrust every other testimonies (which were much more important that the testimonies about cowardice) which stated that Custer’s men fought very, very hard.
Nelson A Miles was on the battlefield in 1877, a year later, you are wrong again. Reno’s and Benteen’s prosecutors are not “Custer myth lovers”, they look at the evidence and the evidence are numerous.
Fox is not supported by recent researchs at all. He is attacked by the LBH researchers and historians.
In fact, it was not an error to “envelop them”, but Reno’s and Benteen’s forces didn’t support the movement, and Custer had to fight it alone.
Watch the videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKeTsG2JpQA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsMb3U6CfqA
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