In the beginning (Evolution and religion)

www.economist.com ^ | Apr 19th 2007

[js1138]

means that their existence is just another hole in Evolution.....

At least you can name something that has missed evolution's train, or describe what you mean by the phrase.

[tacticalogic]

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

And he will use our pride on our faith to turn us against our neighbor.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“And he will use our pride on our faith to turn us against our neighbor.”

Care to elaborate?

[PetroniusMaximus]

First off, let me clarify the situation a bit. You slipped into the conversation between me and someone else around post 45. I did not realize that you were not the person I began speaking with. That may be the source of some confusion here.

"Sure, that's his job! Resist satan, he will flee. The Name of Jesus is all powerful! EVERYTHING bows at the Name of Jesus. "

I believe the whole record of the Bible. The whole record clearly states that the devil CAN and WILL get you if you give him the chance. You are STILL in danger of being robbed and ensnared and taken advantage of by the devil. The devil may not be able to touch your soul, but by heaven he can sure rob you of God's blessing and God's will for you're life - if you fail to remain vigilant!

2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Ephesians 6:11
Put o­n the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

1 Timothy 3:7
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

 

"Why don't you believe "It is finished" - you sound so frightened, why?""

Your attitude sounds pollyannaish. What you call "frightened" I call being "sober and vigilant".

It's a command, you know.

[tgambill]

sure enough.......you are a basic information artist. Not very adept yet. It wouldn’t make any difference what I wrote, as you will provide irrevelant questions to keep the target busy, and justifying until the person theorically wears down or provides some inaccurate info thus allowing you to discredit the rest of the truth. Try someone else......It described the phrase. If you don’t understand you might want to do more reading and some Yoga.

[presently no screen name]

Your reply is unwarranted. What gave you the idea that I am not viligant but pollyannish?

You have NO IDEA what I am going through in my life right now. You have NO IDEA how I am defeating satan daily - almost moment by moment by wearing the armour and walking in HIS power and authority to resist satan in EVERY area of my life. Believing scripture is one thing - living that belief out it is another.

If you did know, you would truly hang you head. I'm not being flippant, I'm being truthful.

So if I don't appear 'sober' to you it's because I'm walking in the JOY of The Lord through the worst time of my life. The JOY of The Lord is my strength. I'm walking in faith, supernatural faith, and not by sight. If I walked by sight, right now, I'd never make it. I'm praising Him continuously.

I'm not posting scripture, I'm living them. So what appears pollyannish to you is really the Joy of the Lord. Sorry you did recognize it and chose ridicule because of your lack of awareness.

Thanks for the concern about me missing my blessings. He has blessed me more in these months - while I walk through my valley - because I'm NOT walking in fear of being robbed or ensnared. I'm walking in obedience to His Word - He told us how to defeat satan and I take Him at His Word. And His Word works. My walk with The Lord is very close - and He has shown me countless time His Word is true - for He never leaves nor forsakes me. That's the biggest blessings.

Perhaps, today, you just might want to bless someone instead of reprimanding them, as you did me. If you want to be more like Jesus - that would be a good start.

[tacticalogic]

He has a vested interest in stirring up animosity.

[PetroniusMaximus]

I am glad for you if you are doing well in your walk!

But you made a statement that was, as I have shown, unbiblical - namely:

“Besides satan is powerless, he’s been defeated and under my feet.”

It is clear from Scripture that satan is NOT powerless - and for you to be convinced that he is gives him a great advantage over you. Keep your eyes open. You may be doing quite well thinking you have the devil on the run but he can cause you to stumble if you become proud or complacent.

Keep your eyes on the Lord, friend, and have a good day!

[presently no screen name]

I am glad for you if you are doing well in your walk!

I'm sorry you aren't! You are fixated on fear and satan and try your hardest to project that fear unto others. You picked the wrong one this time. When you walk in faith, as we are commanded, there is no fear. Faith is the absence of fear.

Keep your eyes open.

Trust me, they are open and what I see is you.

You may be doing quite well thinking you have the devil on the run but he can cause you to stumble if you become proud or complacent.

I am doing more than quite well. Quiet well is when you are doing things in your own power. Above and beyond is when you're are doing in the SUPERNATURAL power. And, that is where you're lacking of understanding lies. You have no idea about the supernatural power - your posts riddled w/fear proves that.

Speaking of "proud" - which you know so much about - doesn't enter into my realm. You cannot enter the supernatural w/ego. One is humble while USING the Power and Authority of Jesus given to His followers - and all the Honor and Glory goes to Him. When you have the same Power in you that raised Jesus from the dead - you don't walk in fear of something that is powerless. Satan's ONLY weapon is deceit. Is you fall for his lies, you open the door to him.

And that's where you come in - claiming satan has power. You only READ scripture - you don't KNOW scripture. Satan is powerless! And for you to insist he has power, you are a pawn of satan, IMO. Resist satan, and he will flee. If we can resist him - where is his power. ONLY THE POWER YOU GIVE him and that is what you have done repeatedly. Everything bows at the name of Jesus - for there is no other name above the name of Jesus. He obviously has power over you for you to give him power.

Keep your eyes on the Lord, friend

It might be wise for you to take your own advice - because you are too fixated on satan and enjoy spreading your venom and fear. I don't consider you a friend, I'm a friend of God - whose Power and Authority I walk in daily. You, however, consider that pollyannish. The two don't mix.

One more time. satan is powerless, he’s been defeated and under my feet. I give credence to The Blood, you don't - that why victory will not be yours. You haven't accept the victory of The Cross.

[wagglebee]

One more time. satan is powerless, he’s been defeated and under my feet. I give credence to The Blood, you don't - that why victory will not be yours. You haven't accept the victory of The Cross.

Huh?

Are you implying that the Revelation was actually a hallucination of the Apostle John and not a vision from our Lord?

Is Christ's promised return a lie?

How is it possible to look at world events from ANY TIME from the Crucifixion onward and not see the evils of satan at work?

[presently no screen name]

How is it possible to look at world events from ANY TIME from the Crucifixion onward and not see the evils of satan at work?

Of course he attacks - that's his job. And many don't even have a clue that satan and his demons are real. They say it's bad luck! However, he has NO power over God's children when they walk in His Power. Why don't you know this? Was there NO victory at The Cross? Or rather, what was the victory?

They say churches are weak - obviously, since I'm witnessing some that are truly clueless.

Jesus IS returning - the sooner the better! Why would you even question 'is it a lie'?

[PetroniusMaximus]

” Speaking of “proud” - which you know so much about - doesn’t enter into my realm. “

I think that the usefulness of this conversation has ended. I wish you well. Have a nice day.

[presently no screen name]

I think that the usefulness of this conversation has ended

Yes,
Your push at insisting one must belong to a religion - failed.
Your push to instill fear with 'your' powerful satan - failed.

When you mess with truth, you will always fail. When you give power to satan - you are defeated, just like him. I hope you learned something. There was victory at The Cross.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“I hope you learned something.”

I learned that there are certain people who are so enamored with their own spirituality that they can’t even hear what the Bible has to say. I’ve also learned that extending discussions with these sorts of people is a complete waste of time. If they won’t listen to the Scriptures (which I have provided and you repeatedly fail to acknowledge), what more can be said?

So yes, I have definitely learned something.

Now, in the interest of peace and so this conversation does not descend into further strife, I suggest we leave it where it is.

[js1138]

If you are going to make the claim, at least you can name something that has missed evolution’s train, or describe what you mean by the phrase.

[presently no screen name]

I learned that there are certain people who are so enamored with their own spirituality that they can’t even hear what the Bible has to say.

That's YOUR thinking, again. I am enamored by My Savior who loved me so much that He died for me and gave me the Holy Spirit to dwell within me. I am the temple of the HOLY SPIRIT. The same spirit that rose Jesus from the dead. I Praise Him for I am nothing without My Jesus.

You are merely a 'hearer' of the Word, NOT a DOER - that's your hangup. I have The Teacher living within me - can you do better than that? Unless someone doesn't do what YOU want them to do - they ain't doing anything. SO PRIDEFUL! While you DENY the Power of The Blood of Jesus and the Power of The Holy Spirit.

If they won’t listen to the Scriptures (which I have provided and you repeatedly fail to acknowledge), what more can be said?

You are so prideful and it manifests itself more and more with each post!

I have told you but YOU refuse to acknowledge what I said. More pompousness.......YOU have provided Scripture. Sorry, My God provided me with His Scriptures. I couldn't live in victory if HE didn't. You, merely, shown you can POST scripture. Repeatedly failed to acknowledge...NO, you repeatedly ignored my posts that I am living scripture and, therefore, I can defeat satan. what more can be said. Nothing, misery loves company and you can't have my company. Plus you have no idea about Christianity, posting scripture means 'nada'. Satan knows scripture, too. So posting to a Christian - and telling them they are wrong NOT TO LISTEN TO YOU when you give NO power to Jesus - well, your posts are from the pit of hell, IMO.

You deny The Power of Jesus and The Holy Spirit BUT GIVE POWER TO SATAN!! You consider the JOY OF THE LORD, pollyannish. Wisdom and discernment are not your friends.

As far as discussion, you tried and failed miserably - that's what happens when you live in fear - and then reprimand them when they don't succumb to 'your' 'powerful satan and live in fear.'.

You are a trip and a half. You live a defeated life and you can't handle others aren't because they are LIVING OUT scripture and all it's blessings.

How dare someone NOT LISTEN TO YOU! They must belong to a religion and they MUST LIVE IN FEAR because satan is so powerful, close your eyes and you are a gonner!! YOU give more credence and power to satan and NO power to The All Powerful One, Jesus - who defeated satan at The Cross.

I live by "Every knee must bow at the Name of Jesus" and that includes your little friend, satan. I live by "I am the head and not the tail". I live by "NO weapon formed against me shall prosper". I live by 'By My stripes you are healed'. I live by "If God is for me, who can be against me' I live by "I can do all things THROUGH CHRIST which strengthens me' I live by "My sheep hear My Voice .....and I call them by name'. (and He does!) I live by "A merry heart is like good medicine". I live by faith. Without faith we are not pleasing to God.

Why do you OVERLOOK those scriptures? That's satan only hope - that everyone does.
I know who my enemy is - for God told us BUT HE tells us how to resist him. I do as Jesus did, 'Get behind me, satan, for IT IS WRITTEN!

I suggest you not follow religion nor let scripture merely be words on a page. It has not served you well. Get into a church that teaches ONLY the Word and who we are in Christ. And, don't overlook your prayer life. There's power in prayer! Lastly, isn't it a beautiful world God created?

[PetroniusMaximus]

You: " Religion is man made."

Me: " Not always - as we have seen in James."
Biblical Proof: " Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27



You: Besides satan is powerless, he's been defeated and under my feet.

Me:  Not true!
Biblical Proof: " Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" - 1 Peter 5:8



You:  Well, it's true for me!

Me: You are STILL in danger of being robbed and ensnared and taken advantage of by the devil. The devil may not be able to touch your soul, but by heaven he can sure rob you of God's blessing and God's will for you're life - if you fail to remain vigilant!
Biblical Proof:  "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices." - 2 Corinthians 2:11

"Put o­n the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." - Ephesians 6:11

"Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil." - 1 Timothy 3:7





You: (Beginning personal attacks)...

"You are fixated o­n fear and satan and try your hardest to project that fear unto others. "

" You have no idea about the supernatural power - your posts riddled w/fear proves that."

" Speaking of "proud" - which you know so much about "

" And that's where you come in - claiming satan has power. You o­nly READ scripture - you don't KNOW scripture."

"you are too fixated o­n satan and enjoy spreading your venom and fear. I don't consider you a friend, "

" You are merely a 'hearer' of the Word, NOT a DOER "

" You are so prideful ..."

"you have no idea about Christianity"

"your posts are from the pit of hell,"

" You deny The Power of Jesus and The Holy Spirit BUT GIVE POWER TO SATAN!! "



Based of the above vindictive and spiteful nature or your personal attacks o­n me, I respecfully request you no longer post to me o­n this thread.

[presently no screen name]

Don't tell me not to respond when you attach it to a litany of accusations. That's manipulation and goes hand in hand with a prideful nature.

" Pure religion and undefiled before God..."

Denying God's Power and denying the victory at The Cross is NOT PURE and IS DEFILED. Denying the Joy of The Lord but calling it Pollyannish is a NOT PURE and is a defilement to His Word. Saying satan has power over me is in direct opposition to God's Word and the power in the Blood of Jesus. So much for 'your' religion tactic.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:" - 1 Peter 5:8

Knowledge to know the enemy. Where are the scriptures that tell us we have power to resist him. Where's the name of Jesus? You insistence of giving power to satan and NO power to Jesus and His Word, 'Get behind me satan' is SO very telling. Satan CANNOT TOUCH God's children because we have the Power to resist him in Jesus Name. You have been given every opportunity to give thanks and praise God for HIS power but you have NOT done so. Also, very telling.

Prideful people always take correction by The Word as condemnation/attacks. You should be more concerned about your attacks AGAINST and denial of The Blood and Power of Jesus. But 'self' is more important to the prideful. No wonder they live in fear.

If you don't want a response, DON'T reply. It's as simple as that! Besides, which, it will give you more time to praise God, The Creator of all, for His Awesomeness of all His creations! You will find His Awesomeness humbles you and that's a good thing.

[tgambill]

Man, you are on a roll. “lickity split” is on an agenda and is a wolf in sheeps clothing. There is nothing spiritual about this individual.

As you already know, Satan knows that Bible better than most Christians......:)

[tgambill]

for the first segment.......I’ll write more later.

One wonders if evolution is true then why are there still monkeys or apes? Now, this is one of the most common claim that non-believers might come up with to challenge Evolution.

I understand that some think that evolution does not teach that humans descended from monkeys; but it states that both have a common ancestor. Well, this is in my opinion a very good cop out and is deceiving.

Evolutionist very conveniently pulls words from the sky, and declare that a new species “evolves” by splintering off from those that are established. Or, certain populations become isolated from the main group and “acquire” differences that remain distinct.

However, this does not hold water. One questions, “How do they know to acquire differences”? This new species that became man has not yet been found and I would submit that the “skulls” found in collections claiming to be a evolution of man are actually primates and not man at all.

Evolution cannot explain in real terms how life got started, some species evolved while others didn’t and others just died out. The ways that Evolution explains often entails long winded explanations and made up processes designed to fit the “explanation” that is needed to support Evolution whether it’s true or not. They use a bait and switch method of avoiding the actual question, but ranting on about how it evolved.