Posted on 05/01/2007 4:09:19 AM PDT by from occupied ga
You're certifiably KOOKY if you think that were RATS in power, they would have spent less money.
Then why don't they halve the tax rate on the top 5% of the hard working? What you see is a combination of tax shifting, inflation, government borrowing, but if you had the intelligence to comprehend the article or read past the first couple of paragraphs, you would know this. Tax rate cuts without concomitant spending cuts just shift the burden of payment somewhere else ie the future.
With the despised Clinton and their fellow Democrats in power they DID spend considerably less money. That happens to be a fact Jack. Who was it that said facts are stubborn things they just don't go away.
Indeed!
NO SUCH PROMISE, THAT I KNOW OF.
I Smell a Rat!
Please enlighten us, how have the gopers exhibited fiscal responsibility?
And while you're thinking about that tell me how no child left behind does the same thing
And if you can't answer either of those then tell me again why the taxpayers in the rest of the country should pay to rebuild New Orleans? I don't recall being asked if I though it was a good idea to build most of the city below sea level.
You libertines were cool 100 years ago
show me where I expressed a "libertine" view. Really you should not use words you don't understand. It makes you look even dumber than you are. But out of pity here is the definition of libertine so maybe you'll embarass yourself less in the future
1. a person who is morally or sexually unrestrained, esp. a dissolute man; a profligate; rake.
That statement is an absolute, BALD FACED LIE!
Really? The proof is in the numbers.
From 1993 to 1995, with a Dem President and Congress, Federal government spending dropped from 21.4% of GDP to 20.7% of GDP.
From 1994 to 2000, with a Dem President and Republican Congress, we did even better, when spending dropped from 20.7% to 18.5% of GDP.
And from 2001 to 2006 with a "conservative" President and Congress, we have gone up, from 18.5% to 20.3%. And that has very little to do with war spending, BTW. The Republicans had their chance, and they blew it.
If you look back over the data of several decades, fiscal responsibility only occurs when the Executive branch and Congress are of different parties. We should demand that Republicans do better.
You are (cleverly) using percent of GDP as an indication of spending as an interesting way to show that Clinton (with a democratic Congress for only two years - during which he tried to nationalize 17% of the ENTIRE US economy!) - was more fiscally restrained than the greedy GOP.
Credit the GOP in 2003-2006 for spending too much: they spent it on DEMOCRATIC-sponsored programs to try to get media sympathy. Which was stupid.
But don’t pretend that the demo’s are fiscally conservative.
That statement is an absolute, BALD FACED LIE!
Agree. What could be said is that spending goes up when the GOP had control of all branches, in comparison to a divided government (gridlock). When one part controls the congress and the other the white house, spending stays down. I have NO doubt that spending would be much higher if the Dems controlled both houses and the white house.
NO SUCH PROMISE, THAT I KNOW OF ****
Yes, promises where made by the Administration - many, many times. From Condi to Dubya, the war was supposed to pay for itself with Iraq's oil revenue. Sean Vanity even brought up 'once' on H&C when it wasn't happening. Then dropped the subject like a hot poker (must of gotten a phone call).
It's funny, under Saddam the oil money rolled in. We get there and now not a dime extra is to be found. To boot, Dubya gets every country to forgive Iraq's previous debts.
Where's the money???
First I need to "enlighten" you ("us" if you have multiple personalities) that saying X is more fiscally responsibly than Y, does not mean that either X or Y are fiscally responsibly. Comprehend that for a moment and then if you still have a question, get back to me.
Where’s the money???
I think you can figure this one out.......
This is a lot of good food for thought.
Thanks.
You sound a lot like me.
I would agree that the Bush tax cuts helped, but they were infinitesimally small compared to what really needs to be done to our tax code. The compliance costs for small business owners to decipher the 68,000 pages of tax code is ridiculous and even then you never know until IRS knocks on your door whether or not you've gotten your money's worth.
It is long past time to take the bull by the horns and fix the nightmare that is our tax system....
and it’s still better than the lowest of the 1993-1995 period ?
and your point is ?
Did you even read or comprehend what you just wrote?
No one was talking about mixed power. The disputed statement was that the GOP was less fiscally responsible than if the RATS had been in power, i.e. the executive and legislative branches. ONLY A DELUSIONAL IDIOT thinks the RATS would spend less money with absolute control.
But don’t pretend that the demo’s are fiscally conservative.
In no way am I claiming that the Dems are fiscally conservative. I am saying that the recent batch of Republicans are no better. As far as Republicans spending on Dem programs, there may be some truth to that, but it's hard to call them Dem programs when the Republicans controlled all of Congress and the White House.
As far as my using government spending as a percentage of GDP, it's a clever number, but no trick. I consider it to be the single best number to measure a government's degree of socialism. The raw numbers are available in the link I posted above. They don't look any better.
Some drunk spends $80 on booze, and someone else spends $85 on food, you (the genius) claim "the fact" that the drunk is more fiscally responsible, since he spent less money, being totally clueless that to you need to look at what the money was spent on. 9-11, Iraq WAR, Katrina, etc. etc.
Well, you’ve convinced me - I should have voted for Weird Al and Ketchup Boy, Durbin and Obama and saved all those tax dollars!
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