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"They just never foresaw one event that would encompass both."

Nonsense!

1 posted on 05/01/2007 5:57:24 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Lesson One: Fire melts steel.

(Got that, Rosie?)


2 posted on 05/01/2007 6:01:43 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: BenLurkin

March 2004: There was a bridge collapse very similar on I-95 in Connecticut. Tanker truck, fire, bridge collapse.

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t3161.html


3 posted on 05/01/2007 6:08:25 AM PDT by Betis70 (GO SHARKS)
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To: BenLurkin

The US needs stricter laws concerning CDL drivers and Hazmat endorsements. I have a CDL and over 10 years i have hired many drivers, offhand about 1/4th have some criminal history or drug problems.

But more importantly its newly arrived foreigners wanting to drive tankers, school busses and long haul rigs. There was recent news even of a tour bus operation that was a front for drug smuggling, anything in commercial vehicles is an opening for illegal activities more so now than years past.

Not a jetliner but a single truck practically shut down or at least bottlenecked millions, who is to say they are not or could be herded into another area just for a preplanned attack? like detonatong a device on Bart under the bay?

Any incident like this becomes another page of a terrorists teaching manual.


4 posted on 05/01/2007 6:08:50 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: BenLurkin

in 1994 here on Long Island (NY), a doctor, who use to like to drive the HOV lane alone but with his large dog in the passenger seat, saw a cop up ahead and cut across several lanes to get out of the carpool lane. he drove right into a gasoline tanker which burst into flames under the overpass for the Sagtikos parkway. the doctor and dog died. the tanker driver got out in time. the overpass was so warped as to have to be condemned and rebuilt. the north bound overpass (separate) was divided for a short time for both directions untill an temporary span could be erected. It took a good 9 months or more before the section of span was completely rebuilt.


5 posted on 05/01/2007 6:09:58 AM PDT by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: BenLurkin
They just never foresaw one event that would encompass both.

Sounds like it's time to find some new experts.
6 posted on 05/01/2007 6:10:15 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: BenLurkin
Fire softens steel!? Apparently it can weaken it to the point of failure!!!

Well, I'm sure this is going to come as a huge surprise to one of our celebrity structural engineers, Ms. Rosie O'Donnell.

7 posted on 05/01/2007 6:11:31 AM PDT by John Valentine
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Nice to see the various security bureaucracies haven’t stock piled repair steel. So, a half a billion dollars is wasted in commuter labor time, each week. Maybe we should pay more taxes for these cann’t think out the box idiot experts. Of course it is kind of a self selection problem. What kind of people are attracted to, and find satisfaction, in slow, boring, dull, constant make work paper shuffling bureaucracies? What kind of people like being employed and working with dolts for decades?
13 posted on 05/01/2007 6:32:44 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: BenLurkin

I’m going from memory here, but in the 1970’s when I was growing up in the Detroit Metro area, there was a rash of tanker fires on Detroit’s expressways. In Detroit, the expressways are built in a series of concrete lined trenches instead of being elevated.

Finally Detroit banned all hazardous cargo from those stretches of expressway because of all the expensive damage to the concrete retaining walls and overpasses.


14 posted on 05/01/2007 6:34:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: BenLurkin

Wandered a mile through darkened streets of Oakland, and lived! That, in itself, is amazing.


18 posted on 05/01/2007 8:17:45 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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“After the crash, Mosqueda, 51, wandered more than a mile through darkened streets in Oakland with second-degree burns to a gas station and hailed a cab to take him to the emergency room, according to police and the taxi driver.”

Does anyone think this sounds strange? If I was the driver I would have waited for EMS. Why would you leave the scene...unless he was in shock? Does this all seem rather odd?


19 posted on 05/01/2007 8:20:31 AM PDT by mr_hammer (Show me just what liberalism brought that was new, and there you will find things evil & inhuman)
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To: BenLurkin
The steel supporting the overpass turned pliable after the gasoline-fed fire below reached temperatures up to 2,000 degrees — more than four times as hot as the hottest conventional home oven.

Idiot AP science!

They don’t use units, and this comparison is meaningless. (unless perhaps if converted to degrees Kelvin.)

Just say “by comparison, the average home oven has a maximum temperature of 550F.” Or, “which is really, really hot.” Or, “steel melts at xxx F”?

20 posted on 05/01/2007 8:47:56 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: BenLurkin

Full tanker trucks do not explode; they burst into flame upon rupture and contact with an ignition source, then burn until smothered or the fuel is exhausted.


29 posted on 05/01/2007 12:20:42 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: BenLurkin

A lot of the anti-gun people would like the sheeple to think that it is harder to get a drivers license or a car than a gun.

Of course this is nonsense. If gun rules applied, this clown would never have gotten a driver’s license, much less a commercial truck license.


32 posted on 05/01/2007 12:29:10 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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