Posted on 05/02/2007 3:26:57 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
> btw, I don’t own a pit bull. Never have.
So you clearly have no first-hand experience with pitbulls, and no skin in the game. And probably no meaningful idea about this particular type of mutt as a result. That does your credibility as a pitbull advocate no end of good /s
> Link please....I’ll wait.
You can Google just as easily as I can, and you’ll find the range of attacks edifying. Hopefully you will be sufficiently educated thereby to see the wisdom of never owning one of these mutts.
Here’s a story that happened just down the road from where I live. I have met the owners. And the animal control officer is a friend and former workmate of mine.
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/WhaHap/nm/mr/2005/feb05.asp?printable=true#minihorse
It is not the first time miniature horses have been targeted by pitbulls: they seem to like killing them for some reason. Anyrate, in plaintext:
“Waitakere City Council is seeking a prosecution through the Courts following a “particularly severe” dog attack on two miniature horses at Swanson.
One horse was dead when an Animal Welfare Officer arrived at the scene. The other horse sustained moderate injuries.
“This is a particularly nasty, severe and dangerous attack a breach of the Dog Control Act 1996,” says Councillor Vanessa Neeson, chair of the Planning and Regulatory Committee.
“I am very thankful that children weren’t hurt in this attack. These were family pets We really feel for the family,” she says
The attack, on 8 January 2005, involved two pit-bull terriers. A member of the public called Waitakere Animal Welfare Services saying that the unsupervised dogs had attacked two miniature horses on their property.
One of the dogs was shot on sight by the owner of the miniature horses and the other dog involved was located and impounded by an Animal Welfare Officer. This dog was subsequently euthanised.
“The family are devastated at the loss of their much-loved miniature horse. The children had spend a lot of time training the horses to pull carts and perform various other tricks.
“The owner of the miniature horses urges all dog owners to take responsibility for their animals and to ensure that their dogs are under proper control at all times,” says Councillor Neeson.”
Then call them mutts, not pitbulls.
What do suppose is being banned in America? Mutts or pitbulls?
“> btw, I don’t own a pit bull. Never have.
So you clearly have no first-hand experience with pitbulls”
Careful, knee jerking based on what you hope, rather than what you know, can be dangerous. As this demonstrates rather conclusively.
You can stay in this MSM created urban myth world if you like. I know better.
I’d get much more exercized about cats-at-large than I would about a Jack Russell Terrier. At least the JRT is smart enough to understand commands and be obedient. Cats aren’t: they are as dumb as a sack of hammers, and can be as nasty as a cut snake.
Aww...the little kitties make your stupid dogs bark?
Your average cat has more intelligence in one paw than ANY dog. And I love dogs. Dogs are easily trainable, thus stupid.
My cat has never been outside. But if for some reason he did get out and some moron like you poisoned him or shot him, you could expect the same treatment right back.
Something tells me that with stupid comments like the one you just posted, your troubles with "the city" aren't limited to your stupid barking dogs. Sheesh!
“Waitakere City Council is seeking a prosecution through the Courts following a “particularly severe” dog attack on two miniature horses at Swanson.
One horse was dead when an Animal Welfare Officer arrived at the scene. The other horse sustained moderate injuries. “
Horrible attack...but you claimed a ‘field full of dead or dying livestock’ up above.
Where is the link to THAT CLAIM?
Or were you ‘projecting’ again?
Sheesh.
> Or were you ‘projecting’ again?
Hey, I’m not the one who pretends to be a pitbull owner. Projecting my arse! Unlike yourself, I haven’t projected yet. You on the other hand clearly have NO IDEA about pitbulls, and I’d venture to say you have little experience with dogs.
> Horrible attack...but you claimed a ‘field full of dead or dying livestock’ up above.
> Where is the link to THAT CLAIM?
What am I, your personal research librarian? Or do you not have Google?
Crikey.
Do yourself and me a favor: educate yourself about Pitbulls before spruiking off in their defense. Maybe also learn to use Google: if I find time, I’ll find you a link to the above, to get you started.
Best yet, take a course or two before contemplating dog ownership. And join a kennel club.
“Or were you ‘projecting’ again?
Hey, I’m not the one who pretends to be a pitbull owner.”
He posted, projecting once again.
No where on any thread here or elsewhere will you find a single post of mine ‘pretending to be a pitbull owner’.
We’re done. FROH.
Having said that - I can only suppose that we Southern Yanks (you wanna start a real fight, put a 'damn' in front of that 'y' word...) are rather inspired by Atticus Finch who took out a rabid dog with one shot (To Kill a Mockingbird) - and it really is unfair to paint us as gun-happy. First it gets OLD - we've heard it all before, and second, we're not as gun-happy as the criminals.
Thank you. ;-)
(I wish more Labrador nuts would heed this.)
> Your average cat has more intelligence in one paw than ANY dog.
In truth? Really?? You can’t be in earnest! Cats are actually as intelligent as a box of rocks!
There are literally dozens of harmless practical jokes you can do with cats, and they are certainly dumb enough to fall for them everytime. And they don’t learn.
Want proof? Got a cat that jumps up onto the kitchen table? Put a cookie sheet full of cold water onto the table’s edge and watch. You’ll see a cat stop in mid-air and try to run, just like in the cartoons. Works every time! The really silly thing is that they will repeat this behavior over and over and over again: they don’t learn.
Try teaching your cat to fetch: it probably can’t.
> My cat has never been outside. But if for some reason he did get out and some moron like you poisoned him or shot him, you could expect the same treatment right back.
Just as likely he’d be trapped in a humane trap and sent to the pound. I don’t allow cats to wander at-large on my property.
Cats are responsible for horrific predation on native wildlife, and are probably the worst introduced Pest to NZ, following closely after the Possum, the Rabbit, and the Mustalids in terms of the environmental damage that they do.
Ever seen a Feral Cat? They are Not Funny. Not a pretty kitty at all: they devolve over a few generations into something you would never want to cuddle. I don’t suggest petting them unless you are wearing chain mail. Feral Cats happen because people allow their cats to wander at large and breed in the wild. Feral cats are best observed at 25 yards thru a cross-hair.
Australia has the same problem.
All cats should be licensed as a matter of course, just like dogs. And they should be required to stay inside, just like your cat does.
> ...your troubles with “the city” aren’t limited to your stupid barking dogs.
I have no real problems with “the city”. In fact, I am a licensed dog owner, and they give me a discount on licensing my dogs on that basis.
> I just have one niggling problem with your assertion that a bucket of cold water would work on breaking up fighting dogs: the time it woudl take to get said water. Perhaps a handy gun is a much more timely solution. I do agree with your take that it puts more in danger than not, but Im not all together sure most people are calm enough to walk to the water spigot and fill a bucket while watching two animals tear each other up.
You’re right about all of that, FRiend.
When normal dogs are behaving “normal”, a “dog fight” doesn’t usually cause lasting damage. It is normal for them to sort out where they belong in a pack. And they will fight and bark and growl and bite until one of them is “dominated.” Then that’s it: no more lasting damage occurs, and vet bills if any will be minor. It’s like a playfight, really: normal dogs observe “rules” like when a dog submits (usually on its back) the fight is essentially over.
A blast of cold water puts an early end to this behavior.
Noise works, too: the louder the better.
With fighting pit-bulls (they are not observing “the rules” and are actually trying to kill) it’s a whole ‘nuther ball game. Maybe a gun is best: my concern with a firearm in that situation is that it is difficult enough to hit a moving target at the best of times. And if there are kids involved or anywhere near... crikey that just makes it plain dangerous to shoot.
I would not like to be in that situation.
> Having said that - I can only suppose that we Southern Yanks (you wanna start a real fight, put a ‘damn’ in front of that ‘y’ word...) are rather inspired by Atticus Finch who took out a rabid dog with one shot (To Kill a Mockingbird) - and it really is unfair to paint us as gun-happy. First it gets OLD - we’ve heard it all before, and second, we’re not as gun-happy as the criminals.
I’ve got a world of respect for Americans in general and a soft spot in my heart for Texans in particular. And for firearms, too.
So I mean no real offense by observing that some Americans have a fetish about using a gun to solve every problem — hence the “gun-happy” remark. A gun in a dogfight where there are kids involved in a setting where houses are around is maybe not the best tool to use. It would be tragic to wing a kid while killing a Pit Bull. Friendly fire isn’t.
A brave man with a knife or a machete or even a shovel? Maybe that would work better? Dunno. Bullets are even dumber than most cats, they can’t tell the difference between Pit Bulls and kids. I wouldn’t want to be the one faced with pulling the trigger under that sort of circumstance.
So definitely, your point is taken. If I caused offense with the “gun-happy” remark where none was intended, maybe I’m guilty of friendly fire too, and for that I apologize.
> No where on any thread here or elsewhere will you find a single post of mine ‘pretending to be a pitbull owner’.
No — in fairness a review of your posts indicate that you are a Rottweiler owner. A breed that is generally reputed to take pride in its bloodlines, temperment, and training, and one whose breeders and owners take umbrage at Bad Traits being introduced — as is the case with so-called “Pitbulls” used by gangstas downunder as offensive weapons.
You are therefore without excuse. Your defense of the indefensible is in itself indefensible.
NOW we’re done.
You are therefore without excuse. Your defense of the indefensible is in itself indefensible.
NOW we’re done.
Your an hour late, and way short. FROH.
We have a dog whose mother was a Jack Russell. Great dog!
Best!
> Your an hour late, and way short. FROH.
Is that the *best* you can do? Pathetic, but to be expected...
My vet has one - a rescue. Keeps him in the office during hours.
Vets know there is no such thing as a ‘vicious breed’ and this is urban myth.
Dogs destroyed after attack on jack russell at beach
5:00AM Wednesday May 09, 2007
A vicious dog attack on a pet jack russell fox terrier-cross on Tomahawk Beach yesterday afternoon has left a Dunedin family reeling.
Molly, 3, was savaged by a rottweiler and an american staffordshire bull terrier about 1pm.
Last night she had still not been found by the worried family.
John McMecking sustained puncture wounds to his left forearm trying to help his dog, and spent two hours in Dunedin Hospital.
Mr McMecking said Molly had been rescued from the SPCA by the family about three years ago and was a loving but shy dog who often ran away from larger dogs.
“She was a delightful little dog.”
He and a friend were running along the southern end of Tomahawk Beach with Molly, who was not on a lead.
“Molly was chasing seagulls and jumping in the surf, as she always does.”
Mr McMecking said the two dogs, who were accompanied by their owner, were not leashed either.
One dog rolled Molly over and the other engaged in a vicious attack.
He tried to intervene and was bitten on the arm. Molly ran away and could not be found. His children, wife and two family friends spent the afternoon searching the Tomahawk sand dunes and bush to try to find their pet.
Mr McMecking said: “Little dogs should be able to enjoy the beach as much as big dogs. I just couldn’t believe it.”
The owner of the two dogs was “quite remorseful” and tied the dogs up at the beach until Dunedin City Council animal control came.
Council development services manager Kevin Thompson said the dogs were destroyed yesterday afternoon and a decision on prosecuting the owner would be made later.
Animal Control staff plan to return to the area today to search for Molly
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10438640
> Vets know there is no such thing as a ‘vicious breed’ and this is urban myth.
Breeders know that there *is* such a thing as breeding for undesirable traits, such as vicious and aggressive behavior. Any vet worth his practising license would acknowledge the truth to that. And any trainer (like me) will be acknowledge that a dog that is bred in favor of aggression will be nigh impossible to train out of it.
Dogs that are bred to be vicious and aggressive — whether they be called “pitbulls” or “wardogs” or whatever — are an aggressive breed. I say again: we are not talking about a “breed standard” dog, certainly not the sort of dog that Kanawa owns who can fight bears and save his master’s life. We are talking about vicious mungrel mutts.
So it is *not* an urban myth. There *is* a vicious breed.
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