Posted on 05/02/2007 3:26:57 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter
> I made an argument citing the 4th, 5th and 9th amendments over here on why blanket dog banning or seizure is problematic.
Here in NZ, the blanket dog banning and seizure would be blood-simple: you see, most of these scurvy mutts are unregistered. The law requires all dogs to be registered, for very good reasons. But gangstas feel they are above the law and that registration is entirely optional.
Perfect excuse for the City Council to swoop down just like the helicopers in Apocalypse Now and confiscate ‘em all. If it is an unregistered dog, then chances are excellent that it is a dangerous pit bull of dubious parentage owned by irresponsible owners who are unfit for canine companionship. Into the paddy wagon it goes.
Then off to a quiet deserted landfill somewhere and machine-gun the lot. Bulldoze over the remains. Repeat as necessary. 85% of the pit bull problem would be solved.
For those pit bulls that are registered (unlikely to be more than 15%), refuse to re-register without a certificate proving that the mutt has been neutered. Classify it automatically as a Dangerous Breed (because it is) and warn the owner that one false step by this dog and it gets destroyed immediately, without compensation or warning.
As to how you can tell what is a pit bull and what isn’t, that much is easy. I can prove what both of my dogs are, with pedigree papers. They definitely aren’t pit bulls.
So it comes down to Duck Analysis: if it looks like a pit bull, and barks like a pit bull, and bites like a pit bull, then it is a pit bull unless the owner can prove otherwise.
These measures do sound extreme, and I’m not generally a fan of extreme measures. But if we weren’t talking about pit bull mungrel mutts, but rather something else that’s extremely dangerous in untrained hands — say, Anthrax virus — extreme measures would be justified.
No one wants to blanket-ban dogs.
You’re right about the property issue, and I agree; however, cocaine is property and yet it is illegal to own because it’s a proven danger and menace to society. People can’t “enjoy” that property legally because it is dangerous to themselves, and potentially to others. Now, if Pit Bull owners were the only ones who were maimed, injured, etc., then I woudl say, “have at it!” But, unfortunately, OTHERS are involved.
Jack Russel Terriers have not been shown to crush, dismember and kill — but, Pit Bulls have.
So, if control and responsibility are the issues here, what is the solution? How about we charge negligent owners with the outcome of their property’s unsupervised actions? Pit Bull gets loose, maims and kills a child — owner gets charged with murder/manslaugher?
If not, what is the line and where is it drawn?
somebody needs to slap that woman upside the head
what a dolt!
Really! ;)
Yanks? It's been a while since I have heard that one. Love it. I hear "Damn Yankee" all the time because I live in the North East.
I am in 100% agreement with you about Pit Bulls. I was nipped in the nose by a Pit Bull once. The funny thing is the go like me and I was playing with it. Someone behind it surprised it so I guess its natural inclination was to bite its new friend in the face.
That dog was a WELL-TRAINED Pit Bull.
Arioch7
On another thread I suggested she forget about dogs and get a goldfish
but someone had a better suggestion...a pet rock. lol
Officials also are investigating reports that the dogs could have been given methamphetamines to make them more aggressive and very unpredictable."I understand it commonly happens in Rotorua," animal control officer Kiernan Best said.
> Yikes! I don’t know how much substance there is to this but the other thread’s article claims...
Crikey, isn’t that a coincidence! I have just this moment posted a follow-up story about P-Meths and pit bulls...
Now *that* frightens me.
I’m afraid George died a terrible death (see 8th paragraph). I chose not to post that particular report. It broke my heart.
>Bottom line is people need to keep their dogs under control.<
Bingo.
I know. I volunteer at our County pound and have helped to rehabilitate dozens of 'unsalvageable' animals with this lineage.
(You want a proper Rhodesian Ridgeback for that task).
I've hunted Russian boars and feral pigs with several different breeds. Labs, Coon Hounds, and Blood Hounds to name a few.
Naturally, Lurker, if you’ve got the skills you’re welcome to try to train one of these mutts:
I already have. Some are unsalvageable, of course, just like people. But the vast majority just need a firm hand and a bit of love.
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> I know. I volunteer at our County pound and have helped to rehabilitate dozens of ‘unsalvageable’ animals with this lineage.
First off, Respect for your Volunteerism. I too am a Volunteer and we certainly do not do this to get rich.
That said, let’s see how you do with a mutt of dubious breeding that has been custom-designed to perpetrate crimes and commit assaults: one of our fabled “pit bulls”. And, as we have learned only today, one that is either hooked on P-Methamphetamine or is going thru withdrawal symptoms.
I’d guess you would (as I would) give such a misfortunate dog the easy way out: preferably at a distance, with a .223 hollow-point right between the eyes.
> I’ve hunted Russian boars and feral pigs with several different breeds. Labs, Coon Hounds, and Blood Hounds to name a few.
For a wild pig, you’d need something that was every bit as ferocious as a pit bull, but much better disciplined. The correct way to kill such a pig is with a knife (the meat tastes better and, if it’s a male pig, immediate castration and gutting will prevent a nasty taste from permeating the meat — something that a knife facilitates easily whereas a firearm does not).
That’s a tad too close to a wild undisciplined pig and a wild undisciplined dog for my liking.
Naturally, on a pig hunt there are guns available as back-up. And naturally your chances of getting badly hurt are quite high.
A Lab would be better off never meeting a wild pig.
You are quite welcome. Speaking of "welcomes," it is good to know that the many thousands of Pit Bull owners here in the United States have a place of refuge for themselves and their beloved pets in beautiful Ontario.
Yep, Beautiful Ontario, the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
If I could turn back time…one dog named George would still be alive.
His owner wouldn’t be home alone tonight wiping tears from his eyes.
Five children wouldn’t be afraid,
To take a walk on the streets of Manaia…
They would never have witnessed the brutal attack,
Of a dog named George, who died to save their lives,
From two dogs who were also walking the street that day.
Because…they and George would have been safe at home
And I wouldn’t be writing this,
Knowing it just isn’t fair.
But if I could turn back time…
Two killer dogs also would still be alive,
And time would still be against us.
And though I know George and our children would have been O.K.
Could you say the same?
Have you ever known such a blessing in disguise?
George was our guardian and hero.
The day he died – he was your hero too.
I am the mother of the five children. This is the only post and reply that I intend to make to this site. In reply to some of the posts here including yours. George should have been on a lead, but he wasn’t. He walked with us many times that way and he was neither a menace to the public nor and danger to our children. If he had been on a lead, the fact remains - the consequence would have been worse. In Manaia, my children as well as other children, have been known to walk down the street without an adult, and these children belong to regular, good parents like me. Perhaps I was negligent to think it was safe for them to walk that day without me, but on every other day besides this one, my kids returned home - smiling. To all Pitbull owners who have taken great care of their dogs and nurtured them to be sociable, people-loving pets - thank you. Any dog can be a killer or a hero, depending on how they are raised and as angry as I am, I hold no hate against Pitbull dogs. Responsible owners of a Pitbull who has an agressive nature, would do the responsible thing and have them stopped. The point is, the dogs who attacked George weren’t out to play with my kids. They weren’t out to play with George. If they were, they would have backed off. They were out to intimidate and hurt. The day I see people walking around with guns in our little town is the day I leave and never return. We just don’t do that here and I pray we never will, but thank you to the person who mentioned how water, can deter dogs and the other things you mentioned. I will share that information with my kids so they can pass it on to other children, because my children were helpless to defend themselves that day and they wished like hell they could have saved George. I know you people mean no harm in your comments. This is simply an honest account from a truly grateful Mum, who still has five children - thanks to a very brave dog named George, who I will forever love in my heart. George darling - Rest in Peace.
Ping to post #75
“I don’t think it’s wise for anyone to have pitbulls. They’re killers, they only know one thing.”
This statement is catagorically FALSE.
That said, what a sad, but telling story about a hero dog.
“Surely you’re aware that Rotties are referred to by some as a ‘thug breed’ as well.”
My Roxie loves everybody, she’s 80 pounds of joy.
Until you make the error of touching me or my wife, then she displays the more interesting traits associated with the breed....(chuckle)
She’s never once biten, or even grabbed anyone. She’s never had to.
She’s a Rott, and has a comparable effect on people doing something they shouldn’t as the sound of a pump shotgun being charged.....
I own a pit bull. I have twice been bitten by a Jack Russell, once when it went after my calm friendly dog. I still don’t promote eliminating Jack Russells.
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