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To: tioga

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I will send them money when they support the causes I am interested in. Right now they are doing nothing. If the presidential candidate is one I can honestly support I will send money...if they develop a backbone about illegal aliens invading our country I will send money......if they continue to disappoint me I will send nothing.
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Well, “they” don’t create the presidential candidate. You do. If your preferred candidate doesn’t win the nomination, a true conservative is accountable for his own failures — and that failure would be yours. You didn’t persuade enough people. You didn’t fund raise enough. You didn’t prepare enough position papers and travel to your candidate’s campaign to get them embraced — and if embraced those papers didn’t persuade the voters. The RNC does not annoint a presidential candidate. The voters elect one. You have every opportunity to achieve victory in that regard, or failure, and what happens is your doing, not theirs.

As to illegals and invasion, as I said in the original post, money is about numbers. You are obligated to quantify your position. How much deportation earns them how much contribution? What % increase in deportation equates to how many dollars will you send them.

Money is about numbers. Those who want to withhold contributions from the RNC because of displeasure over illegal immigration need to quantify what progress in deportations equates to how many dollars. And refer back to the original post to see what happens if the performance curve insisted on is too steep.


58 posted on 05/02/2007 8:47:03 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen
Right now we have ZERO progress regarding the flooding of our country with illegal immigrants......and we have a democratic Congress and a President willing and able to give amnesty.

The ONLY one out there campaigning for an end to this is Duncan Hunter. I CAN choose to give my money and support to him and to diss the GOP any day I want. I have been increasingly disappointed in GW Bush regarding our borders. The only thing Bush has done to make me proud is the SCOTUS appointments he made. Their recent vote on the partial birth abortion ban is heartening. Other than that, I remain disappointed.

As a resident of NY with Elliot Spitzer in charge with a democratic state government I am terrified.

So, where does that leave me? Looking hard at new candidates.

59 posted on 05/02/2007 8:55:32 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Owen
Right now we have ZERO progress regarding the flooding of our country with illegal immigrants......and we have a democratic Congress and a President willing and able to give amnesty.

The ONLY one out there campaigning for an end to this is Duncan Hunter. I CAN choose to give my money and support to him and to diss the GOP any day I want. I have been increasingly disappointed in GW Bush regarding our borders. The only thing Bush has done to make me proud is the SCOTUS appointments he made. Their recent vote on the partial birth abortion ban is heartening. Other than that, I remain disappointed.

As a resident of NY with Elliot Spitzer in charge with a democratic state government I am terrified.

So, where does that leave me? Looking hard at new candidates.

60 posted on 05/02/2007 8:55:38 AM PDT by tioga
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Owen, this goes beyond politics. Entitlement reform and immigration policy are the two biggest threats to our country's future. The stakes are very high.

What is going on today is unprecedented in our nation's history. Here are some facts gleaned from Bureau of the Census data that provide an indication of what is really happening:

---The 35.2 million immigrants (legal and illegal) living in the country in March 2005 is the highest number ever recorded -- two and a half times the 13.5 million during the peak of the last great immigration wave in 1910.

---Between January 2000 and March 2005, 7.9 million new immigrants (legal and illegal) settled in the country, making it the highest five-year period of immigration in American history.

---Immigrants account for 12.1 percent of the total population, the highest percentage in eight decades. If current trends continue, within a decade it will surpass the high of 14.7 percent reached in 1910.

---Of adult immigrants, 31 percent have not completed high school, three-and-a-half times the rate for natives. Since 1990, immigration has increased the number of such workers by 25 percent, while increasing the supply of all other workers by 6 percent.

---The proportion of immigrant-headed households using at least one major welfare program is 29 percent, compared to 18 percent for native households.

---The poverty rate for immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) is 18.4 percent, 57 percent higher than the 11.7 percent for natives and their children. Immigrants and their minor children account for almost one in four persons living in poverty.

---One-third of immigrants lack health insurance -- two-and-one-half times the rate for natives. Immigrants and their U.S.-born children account for almost three-fourths (nine million) of the increase in the uninsured population since 1989.

A central question for immigration policy is: Should we allow in so many people with little education, which increases job competition for the poorest American workers and the size of the population needing government assistance? How did we get into this predicament in the first place?

Prior to 1965, the US was taking around 178,000 legal immigrants annually. In 1965, Congress replaced the national origins system with a preference system designed to unite immigrant families and attract skilled immigrants to the United States. With these changes and some subsequent ones, the result was that most of our legal immigrants now come from Asia and Latin America, and not Europe. Chain migration designed to unite families has also brought in aged parents, children, uncles, etc., many of whom are not contributing to our society and in fact, require more social services. Even with quotas in certain immigration categories, we are now legalizing the status of over one million people annually and millions more are waiting in lines overseas for their turn to come in. Chain migration has also changed the "mix" of immigrants, making it less diverse.

Mexico accounts for 31 percent of all immigrants, with 10.8 million immigrants living in United States, more than the number of immigrants from any other region of the world. Immigrants from Mexico, Central and South America, and the Caribbean account for the majority of immigrants, with 54 percent of the foreign-born coming from these areas. Of those who arrived 2000 to 2005, 58 percent are from Latin America. This lack of diversity has hindered assimilation and could well result in the Balkanization of the country by language and culture.

We need a rational, sensible immigration policy for many reasons, some of them economic and some of them cultural, i.e., the ability to assimilate these massive numbers into our society . Since 1970, the population of the US has increased by 100 million; since 1990; by 53 million; and since 2000 by 20 million or the equivalent of our six largest cities. The Bureau of the Census projects that we will have 364 million by 2030 and over 400 million by 2050 with one-quarter of the population being Hispanic. The annual arrival of 1.5 million legal and illegal immigrants, coupled with 750,000 annual births to immigrant women, is the determinate factor— or three-fourths— of all U.S. population growth. These additional people will require infrastructure [roads, water, electricity, gasoline, etc.], and impact our schools, hospitals, social welfare systems, penal system, etc. Couple these increases with an aging US population faced with entitlement programs about to go belly-up in 10 years and you have some serious public policy issues that could threaten the future of this country.

Just as Social Security is the third rail of American politics, so is real immigration reform. No one really talks about decreasing the numbers of legal immigrants or changing the laws to give us a system that acts to benefit this country in terms of supplying us with people who will contribute economically to our national well-being. We are after all a "nation of immigrants" and our politicians and others speak as though we have gone through all of this before. No one is against legal immigration, and some even want to increase the numbers. The real fact is that we are taking in unprecedented numbers of legal immigrants and when you add an additional 500,000 to one million illegal aliens annually, you have a recipe for disaster.

I compare what is happening in terms of immigration to the oft-repeated example of boiling a frog who is put in a pot of cold water with the heat slowing being increased until the frog realizes too late that it is being boiled alive. Eventually, the American people will realize what is happening. It will come down to whom do you believe, the political elites' spin or "your own lyin' eyes."

67 posted on 05/02/2007 2:46:45 PM PDT by kabar
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