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To: robertpaulsen

That would be me... I want the showdown. Despite being 1 conservative shy of expecting an individual right to RKBA being upheld, I don’t think the court will ever be more conservative over the next 50 years or so, then it is now.

I don’t think we are going to have a long run of conservative presidents and senators that produce a solid 5 minimum majority of truly conservative members of the Supreme Court anytime soon in the future, or ever.

Maybe I am just ignorant. I think we are all guessing. But I would like to take this chance, with 4 members of the Supreme Court giving us a fighting change to uphold the DC ruling to overturn the DC ban now, because I see our prospects only dwindling in the future.

Where we seem to disagree is in your belief that things are getting better or will get better, vs. my belief that things are certain to get worse for gun owners.

Britain and Australia both struck very quickly to ban guns.

The US electorate is not getting any smarter, IMHO. Cities are liberal and vote anti-gun. It is the rural districts that tend to vote pro-gun. More people are leaving rural districts to live in cities. This trend is working against us. The nation is being flooded with illegal immigrants who live in big cities, and who’s children will all be potential voters.

Maybe I am jumping the gun, but I don’t see the opportunity getting better down the road. I don’t see that if we just keep our heads down and carry a big stick, the ever-increasing liberal voter pool coming with new waves of immigrants will leave gun owners alone and in peace. Liberas are the least tolerant of all people I know.

Maybe I am an idiot for wanting a show down, but we have lost much of our RKBA rights since 1900, and I for one want a change to stop that race away from freedom rather than to see my gun rights chipped away steadily and certainly, decade after decade.


35 posted on 05/02/2007 5:35:28 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; neverdem
What's to be gained if the U.S. Supreme Court declared an individual RKBA? Seriously.

Every state already protects an individual right. Granted, some states are more restrictive than others. But they all allow an individual RKBA.

What do you think we'll gain by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling? Do you think they'll also say that the second amendment protects concealed carry -- anywhere, anytime, by anybody? Do you think they'll also say that all weapons are protected -- machine guns, rocket launchers, tanks, artillery, grenades, flame throwers, etc.?

Keep in mind the Parker court added that reasonable restrictions would, of course, be allowed under the second amendment. And just to show neverdem that I read Parker:

"That is not to suggest that the government is absolutely barred from regulating the use and ownership of pistols. The protections of the Second Amendment are subject to the same sort of reasonable restrictions that have been recognized as limiting, for instance, the First Amendment. And as we have noted, the United States Supreme Court has observed that prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons does not offend the Second Amendment."

Uh-oh. Did you see that, Freedom_Is_Not_Free? Do you realize what that means, Freedom_Is_Not_Free? Or should I call you "idiot among idiots"?

Let's do it your way. It goes to the U.S. Supreme Court and they say the second amendment protects an individual right. Yay! Let's all celebrate!

Now, either this court, or some future liberal court, says that the second amendment doesn't protect concealed carry, meaning that ALL 50 STATES must comply. Hmmmmm.

Hey, even worse. Some future liberal court says that "arms" doesn't include handguns. Turn 'em in. Or "keep" means to keep in a state armory, not at home.

Oh, that won't happen robertpaulsen. Oh, no. Just like abortion cannot possibly be a protected right. Or sodomy. Or, eminent domain only applies to cities taking property, not private enterprise. Or the first amendment can't possibly apply to nude dancing. Or, certainly the first amendment protects political speech 90 days before an election.

Yeah, good idea. Let's have these 9 yahoos on the U.S. Supreme Court interpret the meaning of the second amendment for every state.

"Idiot" is perhaps too kind. "Traitorous, Sarah Brady lacky" might be a better descriptor for you and others who want this.

56 posted on 05/03/2007 7:33:08 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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