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France's Royal Accuses Sarkozy of 'Political Immorality'(French Election Update: Sarko Clear Winner)
The Tocqueville Connection ^ | May 2, 2007 | AFP

Posted on 05/02/2007 3:47:23 PM PDT by Cincinna

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The debate lasted more than 2 1/2 hours.

Sarko was calm, clear, soft spoken, polite, respectful and courteous.

Royal, dressed in a Hillary-like Mao shirt and a man-tailored jacket was shrill, harsh, rude, and disrespectful, both of Sarko, and the rules of the debate. She showed herself to be the hard core Socialist she is, in almost Stalinist martinet fashion, like a school marm. Speaking to Sarko with disdain, mocking him, even laughing, she proved herself to be the BOBO 68ist she is, and what she represents. The undisciplined, smug, self superior elitist who knows what is best for everyone.

IMO she clearly lost the debate. Her fawning over the Centrist Bayrou forgotten, she alienated more moderate voters on the Left, and in the Center.

I would venture a guess and say she gave away at least two points.

1 posted on 05/02/2007 3:47:27 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

Bookmarked for later, thanks.


2 posted on 05/02/2007 3:48:09 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Cincinna

Thanks for the post and analysis...


3 posted on 05/02/2007 3:51:26 PM PDT by eureka! (The 'rats have made their choice in the WOT and honest history will not be kind to them...)
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To: Cincinna

Unless there is something out of the ordinary Sarkozy is going to be another win for the free world. How great it is, now we just need Italy, Spain, and someone from the conservative party in Britain that believes in Iraq and the war on terror.


4 posted on 05/02/2007 3:57:29 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Modern Liberalism is the rot of a culture bent on self-destruction.)
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To: Cincinna
"Everything she says touches me, it's all true," said David Zeymour, a 43-year-old grocer at a bar in central Paris. "I voted Sarkozy in the first round, but now frankly I've changed my mind. I'm 100-percent behind Segolene. Sarkozy is scary."

Suuuuuure you voted for Sarko in the first round. Suuuure. And are just now changing your mind dramatically. How do you say "seminar caller" in French?

5 posted on 05/02/2007 3:57:40 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Cincinna

“shrill, harsh, rude, and disrespectful,”

Sounds like most women in executive positions. Why do they turn that way Men are graceful and women become bitter and angry.


6 posted on 05/02/2007 4:00:09 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Cincinna
Shaking hands before the debate...

7 posted on 05/02/2007 4:05:15 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Cincinna

FYI, here is al-Reuters’ take on the debate(sounds like they could not spin it too much against Sarko): http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2007-05-02T213906Z_01_L01218647_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-FRANCE-ELECTION-COL.XML


8 posted on 05/02/2007 4:11:30 PM PDT by eureka! (The 'rats have made their choice in the WOT and honest history will not be kind to them...)
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The National Post (Canada) story has some exchanges from the debate. Here's one of the best:
ROYAL: “I want to raise small pensions straight away.”
SARKOZY: “How will you pay for it?”
ROYAL: “I will tell you. I will put extra funds in the pension funds reserve.”
SARKOZY: “Very good, where do you get the money from?”
ROYAL: “From a tax on stock exchange revenues.
SARKOZY: “Of how much?”
ROYAL: “The social partners (unions and business leaders) will discuss it. But at least the principle is established.”
SARKOZY: “How much will you put in the fund?”
ROYAL: “I’m just setting out the principle. I have a plan.”
SARKOZY: “No, no, hang on, this is very interesting. This tax you are creating, for us — when (Socialist prime minister) Lionel Jospin created this (pension reserve) fund, it was to have 120 billion euros. There are 36 billion in it, each year the state puts in 6 billion. Your tax, roughly, how much is it?
ROYAL: “My tax will be at the level necessary for social justice.”
SARKOZY: “That’s a stunning piece of detail. Can’t you give us a figure?”
ROYAL: “No I can’t.”
SARKOZY: “I see”
ROYAL: “Why not, why can’t I give you a figure?”
SARKOZY: “That’s your right.
ROYAL: “Why can’t I give you a figure? Because the resumption of growth will also create additional revenues.”
SARKOZY: “So you are going to create a tax without telling the French people how much it’s going to be, and how much you hope to gain from this tax? That’s really going to be a great help to the balance of our pension funds.”

9 posted on 05/02/2007 4:11:32 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Cincinna; nctexan; MassachusettsGOP; paudio; ronnie raygun; Minette; WOSG; fieldmarshaldj; ...

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10 posted on 05/02/2007 4:12:12 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: Cincinna

Wouldn’t it be something if the French were to elect a strong and resolute leader who takes a tough stand against illegal immigrants and in favor of national sovereignty, and the US surrenders and retreats from Iraq?


11 posted on 05/02/2007 4:15:17 PM PDT by kcar (Victory is the best exit strategy.)
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To: Cincinna

Wasn’t that little thing NASTY of her at the end when the moderators asked the two to comment the other on their plusses (or something), and she totally blew him off by refusing to .


12 posted on 05/02/2007 4:15:40 PM PDT by Sarah
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Very uncalled for and unreasonable comment.

Tell that to Margaret Thatcher, Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, and our own women leaders, Condi Rice, Kay Bailey Hutchinson,and others.


13 posted on 05/02/2007 4:15:47 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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"Everything she says touches me, it's all true," said David Zeymour, a 43-year-old grocer at a bar in central Paris. "I voted Sarkozy in the first round, but now frankly I've changed my mind. I'm 100-percent behind Segolene. Sarkozy is scary."

LOL! The French media version of phony "I'm a lifelong Republican but am now voting for the far, left kook."

14 posted on 05/02/2007 4:16:36 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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ROYAL: “I’m just setting out the principle. I have a plan.”

LOL


15 posted on 05/02/2007 4:17:52 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Stultis

Thanks for the great translation.

It got even worse later on.

Royal showed that she does not have the temperament to be President of a great country. She was angry, and admitted she was, was short tempered, and rude.

Sarko looked and acted Presidential.


16 posted on 05/02/2007 4:18:24 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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To: Stultis

I love the guy just from reading that exchange.


17 posted on 05/02/2007 4:19:22 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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Yes, it certainly was. Sarko was asked about what he thought of Royal, and he gave a reasonable, polite, answer.

Royal would not answer the question, saying she refuses to get into the personal. She then continued on with this sentence “I am the mother of four children etc.”

I hope we are not judgeing the debate as Americans. Who seems to have the right temperament, who was better prepared, more coherent. Who was spiteful, and who kept his sangfroid.


18 posted on 05/02/2007 4:22:37 PM PDT by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO "We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good")
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Thanks for the great translation.

You're welcome, but it's straight from the Post. No speekie zee frog.

19 posted on 05/02/2007 4:22:49 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Cincinna

From what I see here, we would benefit greatly if the same kind of free-form debate were used in the US - our presidential debate format, while facilitating the use of slogans, bromides & banal generalities, makes it practically impossible to contrast between the candidates, let alone nail them down on the issues in any detail.


20 posted on 05/02/2007 4:26:01 PM PDT by skeeter
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