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U.S.-Mexico trucking program still waiting
San Antonio Express-News ^ | 05/02/2007 | Meena Thiruvengadam and Sean Mattson

Posted on 05/03/2007 7:49:12 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

Nearly 30 Mexican trucking companies have passed safety inspections that would allow them to make deliveries to the U.S. heartland, but it still will take months before the first trial of cross-border trucking can begin.

"What we're waiting for now is for the Mexican government to review the applications they have for U.S. companies," said Brian Turmail, a spokesman for the U.S. Transportation Department.

But those reviews won't allow the department to stick with a timeline it initially had proposed to implement a provision in the decade-old North American Free Trade Agreement. When it announced the cross-border trucking pilot program in February, the department suggested Mexican trucks could begin crossing into the United States as early as April.

The Mexican government released a statement Tuesday saying it wants the program to begin July 15, and full implementation of NAFTA's cross-border trucking provisions to start within one year.

Mexico also said it wants the program implemented incrementally, with up to 25 carriers from each country gaining cross-border access every month through October.

"That must be the quickest they can move," said John Hill, administrator of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. "They've been committed to accelerating the entrance of U.S. trucks into Mexico. Mexico is to be commended for moving ahead expeditiously."

The United States agreed to a July 15 start date at a trilateral conference in Arizona last week, Hill said.

Mexican trucks haven't been allowed to operate in this country since 1982, when U.S. motor carriers lost access to roads south of the border.

Under NAFTA, the United States, Mexico and Canada were to be open to truckers from all three countries by 2000. Years of legal and political battles have prevented that from happening.

Initially, Hill said, U.S. trucks were to gain access to Mexico six months after Mexican carriers were granted operating authority in the United States. On Monday, the Transportation Department issued a statement saying Mexican and U.S. trucks would gain access to one another's countries simultaneously.

Though more than 800 Mexican carriers have applied for permission to operate in the United States, only 16 American companies have requested similar access in Mexico.

Opposition toward the pilot program has been mounting on both sides of the border.

An influential chamber of commerce representing Mexican carriers — the Cámara Nacional de Autotransportes del Carga, also known as CANACAR — is calling for the program's suspension. The group says the program will increase transportation costs in Mexico and applies discriminatory regulations on its trucks.

"The Mexican truckers are worried that if this border opens, U.S. firms ... (will) simply take over the trucking industry in Mexico," said Jim Giermanski, a NAFTA expert with Belmont Abbey College in North Carolina and CEO of a firm specializing in cross-border security issues.

In the United States, the Teamsters union continues to lobby against cross-border trucking, saying it's a danger to U.S. motorists.

Those favoring opening the border have dismissed the argument as a thinly veiled opposition to greater competition, which would reduce costs for transportation and would increase North America's competitiveness.

Congressional leaders have proposed legislation that would suspend funding for the pilot program. President Bush this week vetoed a supplemental spending bill that included the legislation.

On Wednesday, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee unanimously approved a bill that if approved would make major changes to the program. The legislation would allow a maximum of 1,000 Mexican trucks and passenger buses to have access to U.S. roads for up to three years.

"This bill limits the authority of the secretary of transportation to open the United States-Mexico border," Democratic committee Chairman James Oberstar of Minnesota said in a statement. "It allows the United States to live up to its commitments under the North American Free Trade Agreement while putting in place robust requirements and protections to safeguard travelers on our roads."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: bush; corruption; dot; mexico; nafta; trucking
"Though more than 800 Mexican carriers have applied for permission to operate in the United States, ONLY 16 American companies have requested similar access in Mexico."

What is Mexico waitng on,.....mordidas?

1 posted on 05/03/2007 7:49:15 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

Remember when the clinton administration was selling the NAFTA bill of goods? They said if NAFTA passed it would solve the illegal immigration problem as they would all have jobs in their own country. Worked really well, didn’t it?


2 posted on 05/03/2007 7:51:56 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: SwinneySwitch

Related

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1808735/posts
Roadblocks for Mexican trucks in U.S. (Duncan Hunter - NAFTA Trucking Safety Act)


3 posted on 05/03/2007 7:55:07 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Though more than 800 Mexican carriers have applied for permission to operate in the United States, only 16 American companies have requested similar access in Mexico.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, NAFTA. Thanks so much for balancing US/Mexican trade. Props also to President Bush for strengthening the border and protecting the American citizen.

/major, disgusted sarc
4 posted on 05/03/2007 7:56:04 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: WLR; kiriath_jearim; Hydroshock; 3AngelaD; SaxxonWoods; prairiebreeze; Dr. Marten; mickie; ...

Waiting is good sometimes.

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


5 posted on 05/03/2007 8:10:02 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles)
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To: snowrip

“Balancing” trade? What’s that supposed to mean? Wouldn’t you rather increase it?


6 posted on 05/03/2007 8:11:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SwinneySwitch
Though more than 800 Mexican carriers have applied for permission to operate in the United States, only 16 American companies have requested similar access in Mexico.

I wonder what the ratio is in actual trucks. I suspect the American companies have a lot more trucks per company.

This effort could result in some significant savings. It is kind of pointless to have to ship goods to the border only to have them reloaded on a different truck that can operate in the other country.

I would however place some minimal language requirements on the commercial drivers. I spent two weeks in rural parts of Mexico last month, and even though I only know a handful of words in Spanish, I usually didn't have a lot of problems communicating basic things. However, if I needed to stop for directions I'd have been in serious trouble if it weren't for the other people on the trip that spoke more Spanish.

On an interesting side note, did you know that apparently due to some agricultural regulations your vehicle can be refused reentry into the United States if it has too much mud caked on it? US Customs actually made us drive back across the Rio Grande into Mexico to get our truck washed before they would allow us into the United States. They did also make us take some of the things out of the back and let them search through them. To be hones, the truck was really did have a pretty thick layer of mud on the sides.

7 posted on 05/03/2007 8:19:28 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: SwinneySwitch

I was on jury duty the week of 12/11/06 and one of my fellow jurors told me that her nephew was killed a year earlier by two illegals DRIVING their truck with FAULTY BRAKES to the BRAKE SHOP to be repaired when – surprise, surprise — the BRAKES FAILED AND THEY KILLED HER NEPHEW. I guess these MORONS thought they were back in Mexico where – in addition to driving DRUNK — they and their idiot friends do crap like that all the time. Can you say “Tijuana Taxi?” Can you say “TOW TRUCK?”

The driver got 4 years in prison and will be deported when he gets out.

Gotta wonder how long it will take him to sneak back in and kill someone else?
The stats indicate they are killing 12 American citizens each week, either with cars or via other criminal activity.

I can’t wait until the interstates start filling up with Mexican truckers on tight deadlines – and I do mean DEADlines – hurtling at carloads of unsuspecting native-born American citizens – all 387 of us.

Do you suppose this crap might stop if one of Bush’s daughters became a victim?

Of course, unlike the rest of us, they are driven to their endless round of parties by an armed SS detail, which eliminates the risk that they will be tempted to drive drunk themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_zCpQZ-H94


8 posted on 05/03/2007 8:24:34 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: untrained skeptic; Neidermeyer

From Neidermeyer, yesterday:

I delivered to Laredo once ,, left my trailer at a locked yard, I wouldn’t dare take a truck into Nuevo Laredo ... let me count the reasons why..

1.) drug lords own the police
2.) can you really trust federales that drive as their police car a car stolen in the US?
3.) even 1 pistol cartridge can get you thrown in jail forever
4.) their jails aren’t pretty
5.) you will need a wad of cash for bribes
6.) the bad guys will know that and go after you for the cash...
7.) just the value of your fuel will get you killed much less 18 tires at $275 each
8.) roads aren’t marked
9.) maps are incorrect
10.) you could end up waiting days or weeks to get your load unloaded ,, all the while you stay awake 24/7 guarding your load and truck...
11.) if robbed the police will not help
12.) if your truck is sabotaged you have no choice but to walk away (fly home) your insurance won’t pay squat because you were stupid enough to go there..

Taking even one load into Mexico (at best) means bankruptcy if you run your own truck.. this is a 1 way street... another terrible decision based on global dreams..


9 posted on 05/03/2007 8:26:29 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles)
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To: untrained skeptic
So, what is wrong with container transport by US truckers like that from the ports? Those containers can be sniffed and randomly searched easily just like the ports.

It's a BS ploy by a select few in government in the US and Mexico.

10 posted on 05/03/2007 8:26:53 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: untrained skeptic
I wonder what the ratio is in actual trucks. I suspect the American companies have a lot more trucks per company.

I wonder how many of the Mexican trucks are owned by American trucking companies.

11 posted on 05/03/2007 8:27:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: SwinneySwitch
Since the Mexican trucks will enjoy 'priviledged' status they will not be inspected for contents.

I'm SURE they will not become an instant medium to transport invader aliens or drugs.

Nope, nuthin' but good ole Wal Mart crap from China in those containers.

(Of course if they 'only' carry legimate cargoes of Chinese wares directly from Mexican ports to our Wal Marts, the only people destroyed will be American blue collar longshoreman and truckers, so no big deal, right Jorge Bush?)

12 posted on 05/03/2007 8:28:29 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: anonsquared

When NAFTA was being pushed by the first Bush administration the owner of the shop I worked for warned us that the doors would close if it passed. He was right, the company was gone less than a year after passage.

I talked to that former boss about a year back. He said they debated moving operations to mexico but the savings for a small company just wasn’t enough to keep them competitive.


13 posted on 05/03/2007 8:47:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: anonsquared
Worked really well, didn’t it?

It increased trade, didn't it?

If we had a wall on the border, that would have solved the illegal immigration problem.

14 posted on 05/03/2007 9:10:46 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: JOAT

“Since the Mexican trucks will enjoy ‘priviledged’ status they will not be inspected for contents.

I’m SURE they will not become an instant medium to transport invader aliens or drugs. “

God, this makes me sick.


15 posted on 05/03/2007 9:14:02 AM PDT by stompk
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To: JOAT
Since the Mexican trucks will enjoy 'priviledged' status they will not be inspected for contents.

Where did you read that?

16 posted on 05/03/2007 9:31:24 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: anonsquared
They said if NAFTA passed it would solve the illegal immigration problem as they would all have jobs in their own country.

Even the Mexicans are bitching about NAFTA, they realize it was a big failure.

Nothing is going to solve the illegal immigration problem until we elect a REAL AMERICAN president who wants to solve it. We haven't had one of them in many years.

17 posted on 05/03/2007 10:13:00 AM PDT by janetgreen (NO MORE GLOBALIST OPEN BORDERS CREEPS!)
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To: janetgreen; Mase; 1rudeboy; expat_panama; Fan of Fiat
Even the Mexicans are bitching about NAFTA, they realize it was a big failure.

Only a protectionist could think trade was a lose-lose proposition.

18 posted on 05/03/2007 10:19:49 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: janetgreen; Toddsterpatriot
Even the Mexicans are bitching about NAFTA...

There are protectionists all over that think they can live off other people's import tax hikes --they're crazy.   The protectionists in Latin America cry about all the high paying jobs that NAFTA's supposed to be sending to the US, even while we're hearing this "giant sucking sound" sending them down south.

What's got me baffled is how they explain the fact that both north and south have got higher incomes and employment rates.

19 posted on 05/03/2007 10:44:07 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
What's got me baffled is how they explain the fact

They're protectionists, they don't have to explain facts. Not to mention they can't recognize them either.

20 posted on 05/03/2007 10:47:36 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: SwinneySwitch
I recently spent two weeks in Mexico. We crossed at Brownsville and drove about 8 to 10 hours South.

I've never been anywhere near Nuevo Laredo, and don't plan on going there, but not all of the Mexican border is that bad.

We traveled during the daytime except for one night. While problems are pretty rare where we were at, it only makes sense to travel when there are quite a few people on the roads. If something bad is going to happen it is much more likely to happen at night.

1.) drug lords own the police

The Police we spoke with were polite and helpful, and more likely than most people to understand and possibly speak a little English.

2.) can you really trust federales that drive as their police car a car stolen in the US?

I would definitely say no. However, the federales we saw were driving in military green vehicles. A couple of the trucks even had 50 cals mounted on them. We mainly dealt with them at the checkpoint on the way in, and the checkpoints on the way out. On the way in the mainly asked us if we had any guns. On the way out they wanted to know if we were transporting any produce.

3.) even 1 pistol cartridge can get you thrown in jail forever

I don't doubt it. Don't violate their gun laws. If you can't accept that, don't go there. We made very sure that my one friend that drove cleaned out his car carefully before we went.

4.) their jails aren’t pretty

An obvious understatement. However, we didn't have any problems with the police. The police there didn't seem as up tight as many are here in the US. However, we were in a pretty rural area, where all the locals knew each other and it seemed like the kind of a place where the police would let people resolve their own problems unless things got out of hand. I doubt anyone around there ever gets a ticket for rolling through a stop sign or something minor like that.

5.) you will need a wad of cash for bribes

I didn't spend a dime on bribing officials or police.

6.) the bad guys will know that and go after you for the cash...

I tried not to flash cash, and keep small bills and coins on hand, but I didn't have any problems.

7.) just the value of your fuel will get you killed much less 18 tires at $275 each

We left our trucks in villages several times while having guides take us to remote areas. We did pay the village a small fee to let us park there and for access to their land. Usually it was in the range of two or three dollars a person.

8.) roads aren’t marked

Every road that we saw that you could take a big rig down was marked.

9.) maps are incorrect

The maps we had were correct and had all the major roads on them. We did buy new maps for the trip.

10.) you could end up waiting days or weeks to get your load unloaded ,, all the while you stay awake 24/7 guarding your load and truck...

Sounds like poor planning. There didn't seem to be any shortage of people willing to do hard work for a little money where we went, and they were stout folk. Ever see guys put two 50 kilo bags of cement on their shoulders and carry them down a narrow ramp and into a store? That's 220 lbs. I can squat 220 lbs, but you won't see me casually walking around with it on my shoulders.

11.) if robbed the police will not help

They'll likely help as much there as they do here. They'll write up a report. It is probably less likely that they will find your goods.

12.) if your truck is sabotaged you have no choice but to walk away (fly home) your insurance won’t pay squat because you were stupid enough to go there..

We had to get special insurance for traveling in Mexico. The insurance included a bond that would guarantee that would cover fines if the police let you go and you didn't pay up later. This prevents you from getting thrown in jail for not having enough cash to pay a speeding ticket. It's then in the insurance company's best interest to keep the police honest, and I've sure they have a lot more influence that I do.

Taking even one load into Mexico (at best) means bankruptcy if you run your own truck.. this is a 1 way street... another terrible decision based on global dreams..

This was the first time I'd driven any real distance into Mexico, but it was the third trip for some of my friends, and I know others who have also driven to the same area several times.

No one had any horror stories.

The vast majority of people were nice and friendly. Many who had been to the states knew a little English and seemed to enjoy saying hello rather than hola to the Americans.

Those who were not really friendly were more standoffish than rude. Of course I made sure not to give them any reason to be pissed off at me. I also didn't flash money or be disrespectful. A smile and nod go a long way even if you don't know the language.

I'm sure that the larger cities had places I wouldn't want to go. So do our cities.

It's a different culture. While we were up in the mountains a 9 year old boy came up the trail carrying his 3 year old sister and swinging a 3 foot long machete. I stopped a ways off and watched us for a while, and after a while came over and talked to us. Nice kid.

Here in the US you'd never let your 9 year old babysit a 3 year old. You also would let them carry a machete. You'd have child services taking your kid away from you.

His mother did show up a while later and check on him. He went and talked to her for a bit than came back and sat with us again. She had seen our truck at the bottom of the mountain and apparently thought it was a good idea to make sure her son wasn't getting into trouble. After checking up on him, she didn't seem worried by the fact that he was talking to some strange Americans. However, I have little doubt that if someone went up there looking to do someone harm that they would have found their vehicles surrounded by machete wielding villagers, and that calling the police wouldn't have been high on their priority list.

I have no doubt that there are parts of Mexico that have corrupt police and are unquestionably dangerous for Americans and Mexicans for that matter.

I didn't like the fact that I not only couldn't carry my gun, but that I couldn't bring it into the country.

On the other hand no one showed the slightest concern as I walked down the street holding the 4 foot long machete that I bought at a hardware store for a little over $3.

People simply weren't inclined to expect the worst of others. There was the kind of reasonable level of trust that is part of a functional society.

After a few days in the town we stayed in there, I felt safer walking down the street there than I would walking down the street here in Dayton, OH.

21 posted on 05/03/2007 11:57:04 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Speaking of trade, I went shopping for a bbq grill for my dad today. Being retired, he's all about price . . . so I was expecting to have to come up with some sort of an excuse not to buy Chinese or Mexican. Lo and behold, at Home Depot, cheapest at $40--Made in China, next cheapest at $46--Made in USA, next cheapest at $50--Made in USA.

The $46 one (Meco) was so clearly superior to both of the others (Weber, and Hammer & Sickle), that I didn't have to even sell him on it . . . what the heck has come to this country when we can't even offshore our grill production?

22 posted on 05/03/2007 12:16:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: JOAT
the only people destroyed will be American blue collar longshoreman and truckers

I just thought of a great ad campaign. "Fight Organized Crime. Use Mexican Trucks."

23 posted on 05/03/2007 12:58:46 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
what the heck has come to this country when we can't even offshore our grill production?

Just don't grill any poison Chinese "Free Trade" burgers on that American grill.

24 posted on 05/03/2007 1:11:08 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: 1rudeboy
"Fight Organized Crime. Use Mexican Trucks."

Tony Soprano is not laughing.

25 posted on 05/03/2007 1:12:05 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

“It increased trade, didn’t it?”

Is that all that’s important to you and your buddies?

Sit back and watch this country go to crap just as long as you can make a cheap buck.


26 posted on 05/03/2007 1:12:08 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: wolfcreek
Is that all that’s important to you and your buddies?

That a trade agreement increased trade? Yeah, pretty much.

Sit back and watch this country go to crap

This country is going to crap? How so?

just as long as you can make a cheap buck.

How do you figure I'm making a cheap buck?

27 posted on 05/03/2007 1:13:51 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: wolfcreek
Despite all the evidence that export-related jobs are a substantial part of our economy, and that they pay better than regular, non-export-related jobs, why do you treat it (and them) with such disregard?

How can anyone claim they are interested in protecting American jobs when they're only interested in protecting the ones that fit their political views?

28 posted on 05/03/2007 1:21:33 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot
“This country is going to crap? How so?”

I’m not going to answer your questions today. If you want me to believe you’re naive and uninformed, so be it.

29 posted on 05/03/2007 1:26:51 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: wolfcreek

I’m sorry that your life sucks.


30 posted on 05/03/2007 1:27:37 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: wolfcreek
If you want me to believe you’re naive and uninformed, so be it.

That reminds me, the unemployment rate is not based on people collecting benefits. But you'd know that if you weren't naive and uninformed. LOL!

31 posted on 05/03/2007 1:46:04 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Unemployment Rate
Percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people; determined in a monthly survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (website: www.bls.gov).
An unemployment rate of about 4% - 6% is considered “healthy”. Lower rates are seen as inflationary due to the upward pressure on salaries; higher rates threaten a decrease in consumer spending.

There, make you feel better? There are those who feel the procedure for calculating the UER is skewed.

32 posted on 05/03/2007 2:37:10 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Unemployment Rate
Percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people; determined in a monthly survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (website: www.bls.gov).
An unemployment rate of about 4% - 6% is considered “healthy”. Lower rates are seen as inflationary due to the upward pressure on salaries; higher rates threaten a decrease in consumer spending.

There, make you feel better? There are those who feel the procedure for calculating the UER is skewed.

33 posted on 05/03/2007 2:38:05 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: wolfcreek
Percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people; determined in a monthly survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics

You'll notice it says survey not "those collecting unemployment".

There, make you feel better?

I'm always happy when I can help someone learn something new.

34 posted on 05/03/2007 2:45:03 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: wolfcreek
I’m not going to answer your questions today.

If only you would, I might be able to teach you more.

35 posted on 05/03/2007 2:46:16 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: untrained skeptic
You shouldn't have any trouble at all adapting to the functional NAU.
36 posted on 05/03/2007 2:55:39 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles)
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To: SwinneySwitch
You shouldn't have any trouble at all adapting to the functional NAU.

The people in Mexico were nice. The countryside was beautiful. However, their government sucks.

It's a nice place to visit, and I wouldn't object to doing business with the people there.

However, Mexico as a country has little to offer us in joining into some kind of union.

Pretty much everyone but a few leftist extremists here understand that. That's why the North American Union is nothing more than a pipe dream of such leftists.

Sure our officials have meetings with their officials on how to cooperate on issues of mutual interest, and in those meetings a lot of possible ways to integrate are mentioned.

However, notice how when the meeting is over all they agree on are how to address some issues of mutual importance.

We aren't going to combine our military with either Canada or Mexico. We aren't going to give up our independent government. Doing so would require drastically amending the constitution as well.

The North American Union is a pipe dream to extreme leftists and a conspiracy theory for the extreme isolationists on the right.

37 posted on 05/04/2007 7:53:05 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Are you a teacher? What would I learn.......Thread Hijacking Globalism 101? LOL!
38 posted on 05/04/2007 12:16:21 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: wolfcreek
What would I learn.......Thread Hijacking Globalism 101?

Maybe that many of the things you think you know are incorrect. Glad you finally learned the truth about unemployment. It's not easy for someone your age to learn something new. LOL!

39 posted on 05/04/2007 12:24:43 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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