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The beginning of Rationality on Immigration
Cnn/Lou dobbs ^ | May 4, 2007 | Lou Dobbs

Posted on 05/05/2007 8:14:25 AM PDT by AuntB

The USA hands out more than a million green cards every year. The majority, 58%, are granted based on family ties...some lawmakers say skills and merit should be deciding factors.

SEN. JEFF SESSIONS (R), [two honduran migrants] "One is a valedictorian who took English in high school, took advantage of radio or television to learn English and speak it well.....would have no chance of coming, and would ...be at a total disadvantage to a high school dropout who happened to be the brother of someone who is a citizen of the US."

Canada, Australia, and the U.K. all have point systems.....structured so that jobs are not taken away from citizens and immigrants are not a financial drain.

ROBERT RECTOR, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: Over the last 20 years or so, the US has imported about 11 million people without a high school degree through both the legal and illegal immigration channels.

Under the Sessions proposal, spouses and dependent children would be allowed in as well, but extended family would not be given an automatic path, putting an end to the current practice known as chain migration.

The points idea is gaining momentum ... Senator Chuck Hagel has introduced legislation that would apply to the 12 million-plus illegal aliens in the United States.

DOBBS: Perhaps this is the beginning of rationality ..... with the elected officials in Washington in both the Senate and the House......The US has the most generous immigration system in the world....the U.K. and Australia, they have English fluency exams. They want people to make sure they're not on public assistance.

..if we strip away public assistance from this -- from illegal immigration into this country , you're going to see a marked, marked downturn in that illegal immigration and very, very quickly.

(Excerpt) Read more at transcripts.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; immigration; sessions
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Senator Jeff Sessions (R) has come up with a standard for entry as an immigrant that deserves some consideration. At least they are starting to actually address the problem.

Sessions proposed a merit-based program ... including education, English proficiency, and work history.

1 posted on 05/05/2007 8:14:26 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB
This would be an awesome improvement. This "chain migration" stupidity is, next to total non-enforcement of immigration law, the biggest problem with our county's immigration situation.
2 posted on 05/05/2007 8:20:52 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: AuntB

Jeff Sessions has been simply superb on this issue.


3 posted on 05/05/2007 8:26:41 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: AuntB
How about this ... you apply for citizenship while in your home country ... learn English THERE, start paying taxes to the U.S. based on your income in your home country (even if you make the equivelant of $100US a YEAR, you pay a quarter or something to the US), establish some time frame in order to investigate the applicant, and for the applicant to apply for a sponsor family not of the applicant's nationality, and to get a promise of employment if the applicant has been approved.

After 2, 3, 5, whatever years and the applicant checks out, we invite him or her to a border town to be examined and questioned.

If you pass, your oath of allegiace is administered (the decision pretty much has already been made ... just like a parole board), and arrangements are made to get you to your new sponsor home and job.

Surveil for a year.

4 posted on 05/05/2007 8:26:51 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: AuntB

We’ll see. Generally, I distrust pretty much anything Lou Dobbs is for.


5 posted on 05/05/2007 8:28:09 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: sauropod

Pod, listen to Dobbs, you seem to agree with much of what he says. Without him we would never have the facts on immigration.


6 posted on 05/05/2007 8:32:09 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: AuntB

Entry to this country should be to the benefit of this country, not to the benefit of the individual. If there is no benefit to this country and the person really doesn’t care about America, they shouldn’t be allowed in. If you allow this to happen, they become a drain on the country, as we are seeing now.


7 posted on 05/05/2007 8:33:35 AM PDT by RC2
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To: AuntB

Well by this way of thinking any US citizen should have the right to negotiate any criminal activity that they have been convicted of. Either you have broken the law or not. No deals for the special people.


8 posted on 05/05/2007 8:38:10 AM PDT by jetson
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To: knarf; Ultra Sonic 007; Calpernia; Czar; HiJinx; gubamyster; George From Brooklyn Park

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:dfHoTnK6qskJ:www.nfap.com/researchactivities/articles/SanFranciscoChronicle062006.pdf+chain+migration+from+Mexico&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Chain migrations once set in motion, can multiply through family relations into large population flows.

Chain migration is a long-recognized pattern that has surprised policymakers before, notably in 1965, when a new law unexpectedly opened immigration flows from Asia.

But Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., used charts on the Senate floor to illustrate the consequences of chain migration. Once an immigrant becomes a legal permanent resident, he or she can bring in a spouse and children, “maybe half a dozen children,” Sessions said.

Five years later, the immigrant can naturalize and bring parents and siblings, who later can bring in their spouses and children, and their spouse’s parents, and what began as one worker can become dozens of relatives.

“All the uncles can come in through the parents,” Sessions said. “The wife can bring in brothers and sisters. Then the wife brings in her brother, who brings in his wife and two children, and she brings in her parents. It just
goes on and on.”

But historically, immigrants bring just 1.2 dependents with them


9 posted on 05/05/2007 8:38:49 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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Illegal immigration will be easier to solve than the mess that now is our legal immigration policies. They are allowing in huge numbers of people and they are less diverse [due to chain migration] with 58% now coming from Latin America.

Since 1990, the US population has increased by 53 million people. 3/4 of this increase is due to immigration, legal and illegal. Almost one in eight people resident in America is foreign born, i.e., 12.1%. According to Bureau of the Census projections, we will have a population of 364 million by 2030, which translates into an additional 63 million people in the next 23 years.

By 2050, the Latino population will have tripled, the Census Bureau projects. One in four Americans will be Hispanic by midcentury, twice the current ratio.

It’s the fertility surge among unwed Hispanics that should worry policymakers. Hispanic women have the highest unmarried birthrate in the country – over three times that of whites and Asians, and nearly 1 ½ times that of black women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Every 1,000 unmarried Hispanic women bore 92 children in 2003 (the latest year for which data exist), compared with 28 children for unmarried white women, 22 for unmarried Asian women, and 66 for unmarried black women.

Forty-five percent of all Hispanic births occur outside of marriage, compared with 24 percent for whites and 15 percent for Asians. Only the percentage for blacks – 68 percent – is higher. But the black population is not going to triple over the next few decades.

10 posted on 05/05/2007 8:44:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: AuntB

I’ll take another look. I remember tuning into CNN once where Dobbs was on some anti-war rant or another and made the assessment at that time he was a kook.

For you, I’ll give it another look ;-).


11 posted on 05/05/2007 8:45:38 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: AuntB

“Perhaps this is the beginning of rationality....”

Most likely just the newest lipstick on the pig-in-a-poke called “comprehensive immigration reform”.


12 posted on 05/05/2007 8:46:44 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: sauropod

You’re such a doll! Actually, every night Dobbs does a segment called ‘heroes’ to pay tribute to the troops. He also spearheaded the movement for helmet protection. Whatever Dobbs is, he supports our troops unwaveringly.


13 posted on 05/05/2007 8:47:24 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: sauropod
Generally, I distrust pretty much anything Lou Dobbs is for.

I don't trust Dobbs either.

Where was Dobbs when the anti illegal alien Republican House lost 25 good anti illegal alien seats in '06?

14 posted on 05/05/2007 8:49:04 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: AuntB
Canada, Australia, and the U.K. all have point systems.....structured so that jobs are not taken away from citizens and immigrants are not a financial drain.

So do Japan, Singapore, Switzerland, New Zealand and just about every other country in the world with a sane immigration policy.

Canada and the U.K. are too PC and loosey-goosey, but still an improvement over ours. The other countries carefully weight whether the would-be immigrant would be an asset rather than a liability before they issue an extended visa. Even then, they are often wrong as evidenced by the widespread gang-rapes by ROPers in Australia.

But this requires political will to fix-- get a felony conviction and your visa or citizenship is revoked!

15 posted on 05/05/2007 8:50:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: AuntB
Actually, every night Dobbs does a segment called ‘heroes’ to pay tribute to the troops. He also spearheaded the movement for helmet protection. Whatever Dobbs is, he supports our troops unwaveringly.

It's good that Dobbs supports the troops.

Does Dobbs support the mission? Does Dobbs document the successes of the troops in Iraq? Does Dobbs criticize his own network's back stabbing reporting on Iraq?

I don't watch Dobbs so I don't know. Since you watch him, maybe you can answer those questions.

16 posted on 05/05/2007 8:53:36 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: AuntB

bump for later reading on chain migration


17 posted on 05/05/2007 8:54:14 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: FreeReign
Where was Dobbs when the anti illegal alien Republican House lost 25 good anti illegal alien seats in '06?

That again? You know well that is a most dishonest statement. First if you watch Dobbs he was behind those repubs all the way. Second, 2/3 of the losses were NOT in the immigration cauces, they were open border Rinos and ALL the anti illegal immigration state measures passed.

Have you anything realistic to add to the conversation?

18 posted on 05/05/2007 8:54:24 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: FreeReign

Yes to all your questions. Perhaps you should watch before offering an opinion.


19 posted on 05/05/2007 8:55:42 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: FreeReign
Where was Dobbs when the anti illegal alien Republican House lost 25 good anti illegal alien seats in '06?

With his head up Keith Olberdork's rear end. ;-)

20 posted on 05/05/2007 8:55:43 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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