Tancredo's man on the ground [Iowa Campaign Chair Bill Salier]

Rockymountain News ^ | May 4th, 2007 | M. E. Sprengelmeyer

[James W. Fannin]

. He said, in effect. I wish these guys would all level with us and tell us what they really believe.

One of the best moments of the first GOP debate:

Tancredo (?): After 40 million dead because we have aborted them in this country, I would say that that would be the greatest day in this country's history when that, in fact, is overturned.

[Ben Ficklin]

Of course there are a lot of producers contributing to the food supply who don’t get subsidies. I wonder what Salier’s “living wage” is.

[James W. Fannin]

We all are:

America's Wars: U.S. Casualties and Veterans

American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers	217,000
Battle deaths	4,435
Nonmortal woundings	6,188
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers	286,730
Battle deaths	2,260
Nonmortal woundings	4,505
Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers	106,0001
Battle deaths	1,0001
Mexican War (1846–1848)
Total servicemembers	78,718
Battle deaths	1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	11,550
Nonmortal woundings	4,152
Civil War (1861–1865)
Total servicemembers (Union)	2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union)	140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union)	224,097
Nonmortal woundings (Union)	281,881
Total servicemembers (Conf.)	1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.)	74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.)	59,2972
Nonmortal woundings (Conf.)	unknown
Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers	306,760
Battle deaths	385
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	2,061
Nonmortal woundings	1,662
World War I (1917–1918)3
Total servicemembers	4,734,991
Battle deaths	53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	63,114
Nonmortal woundings	204,002
Living veterans	fewer than 500
World War II (1940–1945)3
Total servicemembers	16,112,566
Battle deaths	291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	113,842
Nonmortal woundings	671,846
Living veterans	4,762,0001
Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers	5,720,000
Serving in-theater	1,789,000
Battle deaths	33,741
Other deaths in service (theater)	2,827
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	17,730
Nonmortal woundings	103,284
Living veterans	3,734,0001
Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers	8,744,000
Serving in-theater	3,403,000
Battle deaths	47,410
Other deaths in service (theater)	10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	32,000
Nonmortal woundings	153,303
Living veterans	8,295,0001
Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers	2,225,000
Serving in-theater	665,476
Battle deaths	147
Other deaths in service (theater)	382
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	1,565
Nonmortal woundings	467
Living veterans	1,852,0001
America's Wars Total
Military service during war	42,348,460
Battle deaths	651,008
Other deaths in service (theater)	13,998
Other deaths in service (nontheater)	525,256
Nonmortal woundings	1,431,290
Living war veterans	17,578,5004
Living veterans	25,038,459

1. Veterans Administration estimate as of Sept. 30, 2002.

2. Estimated figure. Does not include 26,000–31,000 who died in Union prisons.

3. Years of U.S. involvement in war.

4. Approximately 1,065,000 veterans had service in multiple conflicts. They are counted under each conflict, but only once in the total.

Source: Department of Defense and Veterans Administration.

[Ben Ficklin]

Are you recieving ag subsidies?

[James W. Fannin]

Yes, the food I eat is cheap and plentiful, and the ground it's grown on was captured and held by the blood of more than a half million men who died in arms to capture and preserve it.

Now go check your spread sheets and see if that adds up.

[Ben Ficklin]

In what war did we capture Iowa?

[James W. Fannin]

Which wars weren’t fought to defend Iowa?

[Ben Ficklin]

How many other businesses in the US were defended in all the wars? Salier is a hog and Tancredo is two-faced.

[James W. Fannin]

Namecalling so soon?

[Ben Ficklin]

gimee-gimee-gimeeeeeee

[James W. Fannin]

You’ve already got it. You’re here. You’re free. You can walk around on this hallowed ground. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Zack Nguyen]

In 2002, he was a first-time candidate when he ran for the U.S. Senate. Salier pushed an unbending anti-abortion, anti-taxes, anti-big-government message. In the Republican primary, he was out-spent 10-1 by a sitting congressman, Greg Ganske...The under-funded Salier took 41 percent of the GOP vote...

That is quite impressive. 4`% while being outspent 10-1 by someone with real name recognition...I can understand why other campaigns wanted him.

[Ben Ficklin]

And that is because my taxes enable Salier to be Tancredo's unpaid advocate?

Not so.

The fact is, Salier is not anti-tax or anti-big govt.

[James W. Fannin]

The fact is, Salier is not anti-tax or anti-big govt.

What did you personally do to keep Tommy Harkin (stem cell research champion) from being reelected? Would you have supported Greg Ganske over Salier? By the way, Ganske is supporting McCain now. Does that make you proud?

[Ben Ficklin]

What does all that have to do with Salier wallowing at the trough?

[SittinYonder]

Compare the candidates. Tancredo has the most conservative, pro-growth voting record of the candidates currently in the race.

I know those opposed to Tancredo don't like him over the term limits issue, but most of that crowd who came into the House in 1992 ran on term limits and then ignored them when their time was up.

I'm not saying it's right, but Tancredo believes he should have stayed in because he was a lone voice on immigration, and I don't disagree with that.

[James W. Fannin]

You wallowed in the trough when you started calling Salier and Tancredo names.

[newgeezer]

How much government subsidy have you ever left on the table?

Do you have kids under 18? If so, do you refuse the $1000/Child Tax Credit on your tax return? If not, go ahead and tell us you’d refuse it if you had the chance.

And no, I don’t receive farm subsidies, either.

[James W. Fannin]

What the free traders fear the most is an end to corporate welfare.

[xjcsa]

If it wasn’t for the betrayal of conservatives by the RNC in the 2002 primary, there’s a decent chance he’d be a US Senator right now, and Commie Tommy Harkin would be retired.

Yep. Ganske was a disgrace.