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Skinning Cats: Legal Means to Disarm the Second Amendment
Vanity | May 6, 2007 | Mark Edward Vande Pol

Posted on 05/06/2007 8:21:20 PM PDT by Carry_Okie

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To: barb-tex
Lest we forget, the Battle of Lexington-Concord was over Gun Control.

And Goliad, the first battle for Texas independence from Mexico.

21 posted on 05/06/2007 10:23:05 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: barb-tex

“Lest we forget, the Battle of Lexington-Concord was over Gun Control.”

I’d like to ask permission to use that some day for a tagline? Actually its so good, and I don’t see a copyright on it - I just might steal it anyway!


22 posted on 05/06/2007 10:25:58 PM PDT by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Carry_Okie

btt


23 posted on 05/06/2007 10:28:42 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Carry_Okie
The right men have by nature to protect themselves, when none else can protect them, can by no covenant be relinquished. (Thomas Hobbes)

A covenant not to defend myself from force, by force, is always void. (Thomas Hobbes)

24 posted on 05/06/2007 10:36:00 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Carry_Okie
My take on a get-around the gun-grabbers may take to invalidate Parker v. District of Columbia.

There is another get-around, they could more easily shut off the sale of ammo, than come for our guns.

Buy more ammo, LOTS more!

25 posted on 05/06/2007 11:20:46 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The desire to rule over other men, to live off the labor of others, to be a elite, a royalty, never ceases. The serpents were at the beginning and always with us. The serpents names change, but the form is always the same.


26 posted on 05/07/2007 3:46:24 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Carry_Okie
Seven years on and the need to inform is still present.
Remember these oldies?
a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.
Our National Parks Now Belong to United Nations

And more on subject, don't forget controlling the ammo.
American Model United Nations International
We also believe in the importance of controlling ammunition for small arms and would like to this area approached as a possible solution to the problem. As the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Lloyd Axworthy, has said, "Small arms are ubiquitous, but they are useless without ammunition. We should consider how we might track, control or mark ammunition as one way of controlling the lethal effect of these weaponsÉ sometimes it is too late to stop the supply of the weapons themselves; but if you stop the supply of bullets, you stop the killing." We also wish to stress the utmost importance of increased transparency in the trafficking of small arms.

International Small Arms and Light Weapons Transfers: U.S. Policy
The United Nations’ definition of small arms are those weapons manufactured to military specifications and designed for use by one person. Light weapons, according to the UN definition, are those utilized by several individuals working together as a crew. Ammunition and explosives required for either small arms or light weapons are covered by the definition.

27 posted on 05/07/2007 4:38:56 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: philman_36
Remember these oldies?

Yup.

a package of 34 treaties, all of which were ratified by a show of hands -- no recorded vote.

It's linked in the article. :-)

28 posted on 05/07/2007 6:49:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Leisler
The desire to rule over other men, to live off the labor of others, to be a elite, a royalty, never ceases.

No kidding. It's just not common knowledge that the means were embedded in the Constitution from the beginning.

29 posted on 05/07/2007 6:51:09 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Carry_Okie

bttt


30 posted on 05/07/2007 7:44:54 AM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (I don't know if there are any good Democrats, but I do know there are some bad Republicans)
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To: Carry_Okie
It's just not common knowledge that the means were embedded in the Constitution from the beginning.

Great article; thank you.

The American Revolution was a civil war between the Royalists and small group from the Colonists, less than half at the start. As it seems from then, 1945, 1989, and other clashes between Freedom and Oppression -- Freedom won the battles, but Oppression never stopped the war. The Royalists may get knocked back a step, but they regroup and forge ahead anew, spewing disaffection and poverty all around them.

The Royalists always were and are Socialists, be they politicians, corporate leaders, Islamists, the MSM, ad nauseum. I fear for my Country.

31 posted on 05/07/2007 8:01:22 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Carry_Okie
The problem is in the Constitution, Article II, Section 2, Clause 2:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;

“Senators present” not two-thirds of the full Senate. It’s the Constitution’s original Trojan Horse.

Methinks that it is time for the People to start pressuring Congress and the state legislatures to enact a Constitutional Amendment that would: 1) Make the approval of 2/3 of all Senators required to pass a treaty; and 2) make it a requirement that each and every treaty that comes before the full Senate be subjected to a recorded vote - separate from all other treaties.

This needs to be done on a 2-track system - first via Congress (i.e. the conventional way that Amendments are proposed) and second via the mechanism of calling for a Constitutional Convention. Congress generally won't move on Amendments unless they are highly popular ideas (like voting rights at age 18), or unless they are pressured to do so. This one isn't going to be highly popular, so we need to turn up the heat on our employees.

While we're at it, we need to clarify the "takings" clause of the 5th Amendment, such that ONLY property being taken for direct public use (not destruction) like schools, bridges, tunnels, roads, military bases, etc. can be taken, even with compensation. To allow Kelo-type takings to benefit private businesses or to enhance property tax revenues at the expense of the present owner's property rights is utterly hideous, and we need to make the SOBs in Congress and in many of the states aware of who they are working for.

32 posted on 05/07/2007 8:01:49 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Carry_Okie
Sometimes you have to wonder what the heck is going on. We supposedly have a written contract with the government that guarantees that we as humans and citizens have the God-given right to defend ourselves and our property.

We have a 2nd Amendment that makes everything nice-nice, yet we can't have a wide variety of weapons and the ones we can have are priced through the roof.

And God forbid your wife should beat you to the phone after a rough night on the town, because then you'd never be able to defend yourself again.

In Third world hell holes that we call repressed everybody and his favorite goat has a fully automatic AK and the thing only costs about $300!

Something is off.

33 posted on 05/07/2007 8:20:53 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Ancesthntr
Methinks that it is time for the People to start pressuring Congress and the state legislatures to enact a Constitutional Amendment that would: 1) Make the approval of 2/3 of all Senators required to pass a treaty; and 2) make it a requirement that each and every treaty that comes before the full Senate be subjected to a recorded vote - separate from all other treaties.

Exactly what I've been advocating for years.

34 posted on 05/07/2007 9:46:11 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Ancesthntr
While we're at it, we need to clarify the "takings" clause of the 5th Amendment, such that ONLY property being taken for direct public use (not destruction) like schools, bridges, tunnels, roads, military bases, etc. can be taken, even with compensation. To allow Kelo-type takings to benefit private businesses or to enhance property tax revenues at the expense of the present owner's property rights is utterly hideous, and we need to make the SOBs in Congress and in many of the states aware of who they are working for.

Although I agree with you in principle, I have a different take on that problem.

35 posted on 05/07/2007 9:48:50 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Carry_Okie

Amendments to the Constitution superseed any treaties.


36 posted on 05/07/2007 10:22:54 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
Amendments to the Constitution superseed any treaties.

In theory, but not in practice. Read the article.

37 posted on 05/07/2007 10:28:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Carry_Okie

If that’s the case, can the US Constitution (and the US) be destroyed by a single treaty?


38 posted on 05/07/2007 10:45:02 AM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90
If that’s the case, can the US Constitution (and the US) be destroyed by a single treaty?

The United States exists, in part, because other governments acknowledge that it exists. That was accomplihsed by treaty. Those treaties pre-exist the Constitution. Nations surrender and are dissovled by treaty.

So in answer to your question, as far as I know, legally yes. The reality is up to the people.

39 posted on 05/07/2007 12:10:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: zeugma
One that didn't turn out happily was the SS siege of the Warsaw Ghetto, the reason was the same. We should all take fair warning from that.
barbra ann
40 posted on 05/07/2007 1:57:13 PM PDT by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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