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Hallucinating, vomiting and unable to stand, but guides refused water to dying trekker
Guardian ^ | 5/7/07 | Dan Glaister

Posted on 05/07/2007 1:51:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Family sues survival school after death of fit 29-year-old on wilderness course

"Dave is dead." The words came at the end of the second day of what was supposed to be a character-forming experience, a chance for 12 people to "experience the wilderness to the fullest".

Instead, the trek through the mountains and desert of Utah in the mid-western US left David Buschow, a fit 29-year-old US air force veteran and security guard from New York dehydrated and hallucinating, his eyes bulging and tongue swollen. Less than 10 hours after setting off from the group's overnight camp on the second day, Buschow collapsed and died.

According to the coroner's report, he died from "dehydration and electrolyte imbalance due to hiking in hot environmental temperatures with inadequate water and electrolyte replacement".

But, an inquiry has found, the three wilderness camp instructors accompanying the group did have water. They chose not to offer it to Buschow, preferring that he attempt to complete the day's task. Buschow died knowing he was just 100 yards from the spot where water had already been found.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: dehydration; refused; trekker; water
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1 posted on 05/07/2007 1:51:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Jeez... what a way to go. I’d hang the guides.


2 posted on 05/07/2007 1:55:06 PM PDT by wastedyears (To a liberal, "feeling safe" is far more important than "being safe" Credit to TruthShallSetYouFree)
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To: LibWhacker

How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?


3 posted on 05/07/2007 1:55:31 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: LibWhacker

Tort law works in cases like this. The school will be gone, the ‘guides’ will be bankrupted and probably banned from ever working in a similar role.

Criminal charges seem worth considering, too.


4 posted on 05/07/2007 1:56:22 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: LibWhacker

What a horrible way to die. I hope that school, and those instructors, get everything they have coming to them.


5 posted on 05/07/2007 1:56:24 PM PDT by USMCWife6869 (Godspeed Sand Sharks.)
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To: LibWhacker

Tort law works in cases like this. The school will be gone, the ‘guides’ will be bankrupted and probably banned from ever working in a similar role.

Criminal charges seem worth considering, too.


6 posted on 05/07/2007 1:56:43 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: gidget7
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

Even a slight touch of the runs can do it if it's hot outside.

7 posted on 05/07/2007 1:57:09 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: gidget7

It was the second day without water. Extreme exertion, heat, sweating, vomiting, etc. The electrolyte imbalance, meaning loss of potassium and other minerals as well as sodium, likely gave him a cardiac arrythmia, which killed him.


8 posted on 05/07/2007 1:58:18 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: LibWhacker
saying that Buschow signed a waiver - yea well, thats worth nothing - how very very sad, negligent, cruel, unbelievable. This guys family will bankrupt the group and the owners and guides should be tried for manslaughter.
9 posted on 05/07/2007 1:58:39 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: gidget7

It says he was vomiting, so I’m sure that contributed to the dehydration. I can assure you, when I go walking here in the mornings in the summer, even without the sun up yet, it’s close to that hot. If I don’t drink regularly while I’m walking, I feel nauseous and dizzy. And that is just regular walking. I can see how this could happen to him.


10 posted on 05/07/2007 2:01:25 PM PDT by USMCWife6869 (Godspeed Sand Sharks.)
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To: LibWhacker
The words came at the end of the second day of what was supposed to be a character-forming experience

sometimes character is overrated - me-thinks it was intelligence, rather, that was in short supply.

11 posted on 05/07/2007 2:02:11 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: Judith Anne
Thanks, I just didn’t know how it couldn’t happen in just 10 hours. Apparently it can. Why these guides refused water is not understandable, waiver or not. If he was that ill.
12 posted on 05/07/2007 2:02:24 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: LibWhacker

criminal negligence if you ask me.


13 posted on 05/07/2007 2:02:29 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: LibWhacker
The words came at the end of the second day of what was supposed to be a character-forming experience

sometimes character is overrated - me-thinks it was intelligence, rather, that was in short supply.

14 posted on 05/07/2007 2:03:11 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: gidget7

They were hiking in the heat of the day, and it was very hot. Some of the other hikers said conditions felt like an oven. The hikers also were not allowed to carry water with them. They could only drink when they found water, but not fill water bottles or canteens.


15 posted on 05/07/2007 2:03:33 PM PDT by Cecily
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16 posted on 05/07/2007 2:03:52 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: gidget7
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

Have you ever hiked in the southwestern US during the summer? It gets very hot in Utah. Also the man who died was from New York, so he might not have been acclimated to the climate. I hope the bozos who own this camp lose their asses.

17 posted on 05/07/2007 2:03:53 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: wastedyears
Oh, well ...

At least it was a peaceful death.

Or so the Progressives maintain.

/sarc

Rest in peace and thank you for your service.

18 posted on 05/07/2007 2:04:59 PM PDT by Monkey King
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To: LibWhacker

25 years in prison.


19 posted on 05/07/2007 2:06:08 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Paleo Conservative
Indeed.

No I have never hiked there, only in the NE, and I gets pretty hot in the summer. Foolishly I was not looking at the fact he was ill. That would surely dehydrate anyone enough to cause death. I was looking only at the fact that many have survived the desert without water for longer than 10 hours. But, they were not vomiting etc.

20 posted on 05/07/2007 2:06:36 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: gidget7

exertion in even modest heat requires 1 liter of fluid per hour to stay hydrated, heavy exertion/desert/higher temps would require more. It is quite easy to be very dehydrated in just a couple of hours if you do not take care of yourself


21 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:06 PM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: USMCWife6869

I went to the link and read the full thing. Two other people were offered water. When this guy fell down and said he needed water, it was refused. The guide told him he could go farther than he thought he could, and told him to get up, he could make it. That’s when he noticed the guy was no longer breathing.


22 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:55 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: LibWhacker
Buschow had brought a water bottle with him but was told to carry it empty.

His family needs to sue. There is a huge difference between using a waiver to protect yourself, when doing something so inherently dangerous that people get hurt or killed even when everything is done right, and using a waiver to protect yourself when you have callously allowed someone in your care to die from a danger you have a duty to protect them from.

If they got to the water hole and, againt all expectation, it was dry, or contaminated, and the guy dies, well, that is why you have a waiver. But when you order him to not carry his own water, then listen to him describe the symtoms of heat stroke and dehydration, while carrying for yourself the water you ordered him not to bring for himself...

Somebody ought to suffer for that.

23 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:55 PM PDT by Pilsner
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To: wastedyears
I’d hang the guides.

Indeed. They did commit murder, after all. But the best we can probably hope for is some form of manslaughter.

24 posted on 05/07/2007 2:07:59 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Mom MD

Yes, you are right.


25 posted on 05/07/2007 2:08:11 PM PDT by gidget7 (2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:)
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To: Monkey King

That’s an excellent point. He probably never looked so angelic in his life as when he was dying of thirst.


26 posted on 05/07/2007 2:08:56 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Just another angry military veteran.)
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To: gidget7
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

By hiking in low humidity and high temperatures.

27 posted on 05/07/2007 2:10:28 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: LibWhacker

I know it’s the Guardian and all, but ...

“the trek through the mountains and desert of Utah in the mid-western US”

If they get something factual wrong like Utah being in the midwest, then what else is wrong in this story?


28 posted on 05/07/2007 2:14:23 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: gidget7

How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?


10 hours extreme hiking in July heat with no water?


29 posted on 05/07/2007 2:14:35 PM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: gidget7

“How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?”

That is an excellent question, and one that needs to be investigated before we hang the guides.


30 posted on 05/07/2007 2:17:38 PM PDT by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: LibWhacker

Prayers for David Buschow & his family. I hope the family sues this company & the so called guides face trial.


31 posted on 05/07/2007 2:19:07 PM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: montag813

AP article

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/NEWS/705040340/1326

No one is going to prison, per the article:

“Garfield County authorities declined to file charges, saying there was insufficient evidence the school acted with criminal negligence. The prosecutor said participants knew they were taking a risk.”

also in the article:

“He said he could not go on,” staff member Shawn O’Neal wrote two days later in a statement ordered by the Garfield County Sheriff’s Office. “I felt that he could make it this short distance and told him he could do it as I have seen many students sore, dehydrated and saying ‘can’t’ do something, only to find that they have strength beyond their conceived limits.”

O’Neal didn’t inform Buschow about his emergency water.

“I wanted him to accomplish getting to the water and the cave for rest,” he wrote. “He asked me to go get the water for him. I said I was not going to leave him. ... Shortly thereafter I had a bad feeling and turned to Dave and found no sign of breathing.”


32 posted on 05/07/2007 2:24:24 PM PDT by kenth (I got tired of my last tagline...)
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To: gidget7
>>>How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?<<<

A gal friend and I were unintentionally left on a Baja Mexico beach during the heat of the day for about 2 hours. We had only intended to be there 30 minutes or so. The dinghy that dropped us off had engine problems and didn't return as planned.

We had swim suits and T-shirts and sandals on. After about an hour we were becoming dehydrated and a bit panicky. The wind was probably as much a factor as the heat and the sun. The only relief was to crawl under some very big rocks for shelter......another hour of exposure would have found us delirious.

I have had huge respect for sun and wind exposure and what it can do ever since!

33 posted on 05/07/2007 2:26:56 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: gidget7
>>>How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?<<<

A gal friend and I were unintentionally left on a Baja Mexico beach during the heat of the day for about 2 hours. We had only intended to be there 30 minutes or so. The dinghy that dropped us off had engine problems and didn't return as planned.

We had swim suits and T-shirts and sandals on. After about an hour we were becoming dehydrated and a bit panicky. The wind was probably as much a factor as the heat and the sun. The only relief was to crawl under some very big rocks for shelter......another hour of exposure would have found us delirious.

I have had huge respect for sun and wind exposure and what it can do ever since!

34 posted on 05/07/2007 2:27:03 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: gidget7
"How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?"

Wonder if he was drinking booze or beer the night before. That will do it.

35 posted on 05/07/2007 2:30:49 PM PDT by joebuck
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To: gidget7
How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

i can picture it - I got hypothermia in 35 degree weather....it happens

My best friend has been preparing for a grand canyon float trip all winter and spring - the first thing they learned was take a drink every 15 minutes wether you think you need it or not

36 posted on 05/07/2007 2:32:45 PM PDT by Revelation 911
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To: LibWhacker

When you hike in this region, the No. 1 rule is to bring lots of water. Any guide who advises hikers to not bring water is guilty of criminal negligence.


37 posted on 05/07/2007 2:45:52 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: BlazingArizona; All

Yeah, some “survival” school.


38 posted on 05/07/2007 2:58:59 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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the instructors killed the guy. this is bullsh#t. they were macho bullsh#t guides that are cloned from the same sadistic pr#cks that they used to have in boot camp before a DI drowned a bunch of boots in a swamp back in the 50's.

They are more into the power over people rather than the teaching of men. I've always hated power hungry assh#les like that.

They should be held criminally responsible as well as civially liable. I hate lawyers as much as the next guy but this is beyond the pale.

If he was my son, I'd tell the guy to turn himself in to the nearest authorities........ for his own protection. or I'd chain him up and put him, wrapped up in trash bags, inside of a sauna for about 3-4 hours. no water and let the chips fall where they may.

39 posted on 05/07/2007 3:09:19 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Revelation 911
A couple of years ago I led a hike in the Mojave. Some of my fellow hikers were experienced desert hikers. Some were not. I advised everyone to bring at least a gallon of water each for what was expected to be an eight hour hike, some of it over very rough terrain. Four hours into the hike I learned that several of my friends had chosen to ignore my advice on water, so I shared my gallon with them. Ten hours into the hike, most of us had to stop because we had lost light and one of the water derelicts was shaking and tossing his cookies. He was fine by morning and could complete the hike because two of the people who knew what they were doing had hiked out and returned at night with water and salt tablets.

Lessons learned:

1. Desert hiking, even in the fall and spring, can dehydrate you VERY fast.

2. Don't trust your fellow hikers to bring enough food and water. Verify that they are being prudent.

40 posted on 05/07/2007 3:18:15 PM PDT by p. henry
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To: Jack Black

Definitely worth considering. The guides knew the symptoms of heat exhaustion and/or dehydration and to deny water is a basic act of aggression. All the clap-trap about ‘going beyond your limits’ is pure BS. I send ‘em to the slammer for 5-10 and let them ‘go beyond their limits.’


41 posted on 05/07/2007 3:21:19 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Current tagline banned under hate speech laws.)
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To: MPJackal
“How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?”

That is an excellent question, and one that needs to be investigated before we hang the guides.

It was 10 hours on the second day without water. Investigation over.

42 posted on 05/07/2007 3:47:25 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Caesar - he is a barbarian and considers that the customs of his tribe are the laws of Nature")
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How does someone get THAT dehydrated in 10 hours?

According to the coroner's report, he died from "dehydration and electrolyte imbalance....

Hyponatremia, low sodium, as well as dehydration, is a concern in conditions of strenuous, prolonged exercise. I always carried water, salt tablets and a snake-bite kit when hiking, both as a kid in Alabama or as an adult in the southwest deserts, though I hadn't heard of hyponatremia until the woman died in the Boston Marathon a couple of years ago.
43 posted on 05/07/2007 3:56:31 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Jack Black
The man had classic symptoms of heat stroke. Once it comes on, you can’t self treat. Your thinking is too disordered to do that. You have to have outside assistance.

During my tour with a Marine infantry battalion in Vietnam, heat prostration was the most frequent return to duty (RTD) casualty we had. We didn’t have heat stroke because we would stop and treat the casualty properly. (Believe me, the VC and NVA were somehow still around when we started out after them again.) Fortunately, there was plenty of water and shade (the key ingredients required for treatment) available.

Even if he signed a waiver, the fact that he did can’t be used to cancel out basic protections of law. One of these protections is the right to receive emergency assistance when injured or sick. Had the deceased fallen down and broken his ankle, would the guides have insisted that he set it himself and continue with the day’s activity? They denied basic medical assistance (which they were probably well trained to provide) to a person showing signs of a severe medical condition. It really doesn't matter what was causing it. Heat stroke is not some imaginary disease arising out of a lack of willpower. Once he had medically diagnosable symptoms, a duty to assist was created. If they claim they weren't qualified or able, the school and the instructors were criminally and civilly liable for the hazard they created for their students and failed to protect them against.

The sheriff needs to talk to the county prosecutor on this one. (Or talk to him again.) I hope the parents’ attorney talks to state attorney general just to ensure favoritism isn’t being displayed by the county towards the school.

I think you are right about the ultimate outcome. They (and their insurance company) will probably lose their a**es on this one and deservedly so. Whether or not they will serve time, I don't know.

44 posted on 05/07/2007 4:23:11 PM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: SF Republican

“This guys family will bankrupt the group and the owners and guides should be tried for manslaughter.”

That’ll assuage their grief, and surely bring him back to life. It’s good to know so many Freepers have endorsed the gotcha victimology of the Leftists. And before you flame away, count what is the majority sentiment on the tread, the one that folks feel strong enough, that they just must type it out: REVENGE, PAYDAY, KA-CHING!


45 posted on 05/07/2007 4:25:05 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: Let's Roll
Utah in the mid-western US

It's a British publication. To them, this means the middle of the Western U.S., which is where Utah is.

46 posted on 05/07/2007 4:28:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

I know it’s a British publication - sort of - Pravda West would be more accurate.


47 posted on 05/07/2007 4:35:11 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Cecily

“They could only drink when they found water, but not fill water bottles or canteens.”

If this is true, whoever came up with it needs to have his head examined. The NUMBER ONE RULE when doing anything in hot and/or humid conditions is have water and DRINK water BEFORE you are thirsty. Good Lord how can anyone be so stupid?

The human body needs water when it needs water. You can’t “will” yourself to continue without it.

This is just outrageous.


48 posted on 05/07/2007 4:36:40 PM PDT by Nik Naym
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To: Let's Roll

I’m aware of the Guardian’s political slant, but this story looks pretty accurate compared with other sources. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day . . .


49 posted on 05/07/2007 4:49:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: JusPasenThru

” He probably never looked so angelic in his life as when he was dying of thirst.’

I really doubt it. Now, if he had had pudding instead of brain mass, he might have.


50 posted on 05/07/2007 4:50:24 PM PDT by gcruse
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