Why evolution is a political question

Morse Code ^ | May 8,2007 | Chuck Morse

[Tribune7]

You’ll lower your chances by a big degree.

You'll lower your chances not a bit. Death is certain whether you get first aid or not. It's merely a matter of when. Science never saved any life.

And that's not saying that applying the scientific method is bad or undesirable or shouldn't be done. Science and medicine are very good. What must be kept in mind, though is science is a means, not an end. It is not something to be worshipped.

[qam1]

My biggest bone of contention in all of this is that always there seems to appear some lawyers dressed in collegiate robes calling themselves “Judges” who have been quite busy dictating a specific curriculum to parents who simply do not accept the exclusive teaching of just one continuously “modified” scientific theory.

That is BS, and people are not going to just sit back and take it any more

Yes the people aren't taking it anymore, in Kansas where the school board tried getting rid of Evolution they were overwhelmingly supported by the people and re-elected, the same thing happened in Dover, Pa and in Georgia where the people were just not going to sit back and take having EVILution shoved down their throats.

Oh wait.....

[CarrotAndStick]

Death is certain whether you get first aid or not. It's merely a matter of when. Science never saved any life.

You'll not find me arguing with that, LOL! I hope you find peace, wherever it is that you're looking for...

[CottShop]

yeah metmom- don’t ya know that there isn’t any bias or agenda in science? don’t ya realize that nothing hokey ever happens in science and gets forced into our schoolbook texts despite counterevidences proving them wrong? Don’t ya realize that scientists welcome counter evidences in a completely objectiv3e manner? Why are you so against science? lol

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2007/0216remediation.asp

“Such bias and mistreatment for religious views has happened to Dr. Richard Sternberg.5 Despite having two Ph.D.s in evolutionary biology, he was harassed and encouraged to resign from the Smithsonian Institution’s National Museum of Natural History because, as an editor, he allowed the publication of an article that was favorable to intelligent design. A recently released congressional investigative report6 described “compelling evidence that Dr. Sternberg’s civil and constitutional rights were violated by Smithsonian officials.” In addition, it was noted that “Given the attitudes expressed in these emails, scientists who are known to be skeptical of Darwinian theory, whatever their qualifications or research record, cannot expect to receive equal treatment or consideration by NMNH officials.”

Also in the report was the finding that “NMNH officials conspired with a special interest group on government time and using government emails to publicly smear Dr. Sternberg; the group was also enlisted to monitor Sternberg’s outside activities in order to find a way to dismiss him.”

http://forerunner.com/forerunner/X0729_Evolved_from_an_anim.html

http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.asp

[Elsie]

More lives have been saved by science than has been lost to its name...

I'm sure these folks would disagree with you...

45 million aborted in the USA since 'legalization'

Armenian Genocide
The Holocaust
the Burundi Genocid
Rwandan Genocide
Darfur

 

Turkish and Crimean Tatars
Stalin's Great Purge,
Killing Fields of Cambodia,
the Hama, Jallianwala Bagh,and Tlatelolco massacres.

 

Katyn Forest Massacre
the Nanjing Massacre

 

the Blitz

 

the bombing of Dresden

 

the Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

 

Holodomor in the Soviet Union

 

Great Leap Forward in China.

 

Srebrenica massacre

 

the Pequot in colonial America

Muslim Bengalis

 

and on and on...

 

 

Now then, just HOW many has RELIGION killed??

[Elsie]

I don’t see how they can very well do that without making some determination about what those are.

"To make an omelet; you've got to break some eggs."

[Elsie]

... a matter of faith and religion with them, just as Christianity is...

And we have a very rabid and utter distaste for religion.

Especially that nasty ol' Christianity!

--EvoDude

[tacticalogic]

"To make an omelet; you've got to break some eggs."

I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean in this context.

[MrB]

I think you were making fun of the “evodudes” with your post about a “distate for religion”, but...

actually, no, most “atheists”, “evolutionists”, “secular humanists”, and “Gaians”

are more “religious” than a lot of Christians, in that they believe something based on nothing but a faith in something there’s very little evidence for.

[tacticalogic]

Now then, just HOW many has RELIGION killed??

I'm guessing the answer is going to be "None.".

[Elsie]

You either believe it or you don't, but you aren't allowed to test it.

 

Sure you are!!!

 

NIV Judges 6:36-40
 36.  Gideon said to God, "If you will save Israel by my hand as you have promised--
 37.  look, I will place a wool fleece on the threshing floor. If there is dew only on the fleece and all the ground is dry, then I will know that you will save Israel by my hand, as you said."
 38.  And that is what happened. Gideon rose early the next day; he squeezed the fleece and wrung out the dew--a bowlful of water.
 39.  Then Gideon said to God, "Do not be angry with me. Let me make just one more request. Allow me one more test with the fleece. This time make the fleece dry and the ground covered with dew."
 40.  That night God did so. Only the fleece was dry; all the ground was covered with dew.

 

NIV Malachi 3:10
   Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

 

NIV Romans 12:2
  Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.

 

NIV 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22
 19.  Do not put out the Spirit's fire;
 20.  do not treat prophecies with contempt.
 21.  Test everything. Hold on to the good.
 22.  Avoid every kind of evil.

 

NIV 1 John 4:1
 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

 

 

[Elsie]

...Science and Nature, and both rejected it out of hand.

But WHY?

[CarrotAndStick]

That list was of people weilding the power of science and technology for evil. You can’t blame a gun for killing an innocent person.

As for how many lives science has saved, I’d say about every person who has ever been to a hospital, been immunised, never been attacked by wild animals, never been killed by diseases... the list is endless. You sure make for a stubborn luddite, don’t you?

How many religion has killed? Chalk up a list of wars from the beginning of time, that had been started for some idiotic religious reason or the other.(Hint: The list of the inverse would be easier to compile.)

[Alter Kaker]

You'll lower your chances not a bit. Death is certain whether you get first aid or not. It's merely a matter of when. Science never saved any life.

Wow. Profound, uh, observation. However, I think that extending average life expectency from the late 20s to the late 70s counts for something. Again, if you don't like modernity, you're more than welcome to retreat to a cave where you can live off berries and whatever offal you manage to scavenge.

[Elsie]

Look up how many people used to die of it in the years before antiseptics.

I think he's trying to say we may live longer, but die of SOMETHING anyway.

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NIV Hebrews 9:27-28
27. Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
28. so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

[Tribune7]

:-)

[Tribune7]

However, I think that extending average life expectency from the late 20s to the late 70s counts for something.

It's not a matter of "counting for something" that is being discussed. It is "saving" lives. Science does not save any lives.

[Alter Kaker]

But WHY?

Because of suspicions that the fossil had been illegally smuggled and was likely doctored. Both suspicions turned out to be correct.

The scientific community reacted absolutely perfectly to Archaeoraptor, identifying it as a likely fraud from the outset. It's sad that National Geographic (a popular, not scientific publication) decided to publicize Archaeoraptor for what can only be described as commercial reasons.

[Alter Kaker]

It's not a matter of "counting for something" that is being discussed. It is "saving" lives. Science does not save any lives.

Your pedantry is noted without comment.

[CottShop]

nope the answer is 2 - Jesus and Stephen