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31 states target global warming
L.A. Times ^ | May 9, 2007 | By Janet Wilson, Times Staff Writer

Posted on 05/09/2007 12:15:10 AM PDT by jdm

Led by California, 31 states representing more than 70% of the U.S. population announced Tuesday that they would measure and jointly track greenhouse gas emissions by major industries.

The newly formed Climate Registry is the latest example of states going further than the federal government in taking steps to combat global warming. State officials, along with some industrial groups and environmentalists, say the registry is a crucial precursor to both mandatory and market-based regulation of industrial gases that contribute to warming.

All agree that the most important part of the new registry is subjecting emissions statistics to third-party verification — unlike a Bush administration program that does not require verification.

"You have to be able to count carbon pollution in order to cut carbon pollution," said Frances Beinecke, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council.

"The registry gives business and policymakers an essential accounting tool for tracking the success of the many emerging global warming emission reduction initiatives that are blossoming across the country."

The registry participants range from states that are moving aggressively to impose mandatory greenhouse gas reduction policies to others that are just beginning to examine whether to take even voluntary steps.

"This includes a lot of deeply conservative states who have signed on that we weren't expecting," said Nancy Whalen, spokeswoman for the California Climate Action Registry, the only current statewide emissions tracking system, which helped develop the multistate program.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 31; algore; climatechange; emissions; globalwarming; kyoto; registry; whut
Is your state on the list?


1 posted on 05/09/2007 12:15:11 AM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm
In case anybody didn't notice, this represents nearly enough Senators to ratify Kyoto.

Corporate socialism tightens its grip.

2 posted on 05/09/2007 12:22:30 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: jdm
"'This includes a lot of deeply conservative states who have signed on that w[they] weren't expecting,' said Nancy Whalen, spokeswoman for the California Climate Action Registry, the only current statewide emissions tracking system, which helped develop the multistate program."

Again, the idea that conservatives (see social conservatives or Christians) are idiots.

3 posted on 05/09/2007 12:22:59 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Going to add a Climate Change section to FRhomepage.


4 posted on 05/09/2007 12:29:17 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: jdm

“Borrowing” your picture....


5 posted on 05/09/2007 12:31:01 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: jdm
The newly formed Climate Registry

I was worried for a second there.
6 posted on 05/09/2007 12:33:50 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: jdm

Ever notice that it is only the Europeans and their admirers here in the US who push this “global warming” crap?


7 posted on 05/09/2007 12:38:02 AM PDT by Clemenza (Tell Europe to Stick "Western Civilization" Where the Sun Doesn't Shine, AMERICAN CIVILIZATION NOW!)
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To: Clemenza
You can go to pointcarbon.com and watch the mayhem they have caused. The ‘carbon credits’ had to be owned initially by someone right? /(I’ve temporarilly run out of sarcasm)
8 posted on 05/09/2007 12:47:07 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: jdm

Of course this is only about measuring and tracking.

A level-headed discussion about climate change between those who tend to accept the evidence and those who are skeptics would lead a reasonable person to conclude that tracking and measuring was a good idea.

In the religious context of “believers” and “deniers” of course any information that might contradict the point of view is going to be controversial. Thus, the usual suspects will use the words stupid, wacko, or similar adjectives. The other side will call them heretics or similar adjectives.

For a reasonable person a subject like climate change would call for at least taking some small steps in the circumstances that human actions are the cause. It would seem that measuring and tracking is an appropriate and modest endeavor. Given the majority of states are involved and Americans are generally reasonable people, I am not surprised.

Because, of course, regardless of whether the current changes are anthropengenic or not, we should certainly be preparing for the consequences.


9 posted on 05/09/2007 12:53:16 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Clemenza

Judging by your comment and tag line, my guess is that you have absolutely no concept of history. Which probably means you are an American high-school social-studies teacher.


10 posted on 05/09/2007 12:55:45 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

No Krautboy, just pointing out that we Americans are “different” from you people, a fact that will soon be true racially as well as culturally. I guess you haven’t heard of “American exceptionalism.”


11 posted on 05/09/2007 12:57:26 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Clemenza
No Krautboy

Apparently not so different.

But, you certainly fulfilled my expectations immediately. No surprises from you.

This is gonna be fun.

12 posted on 05/09/2007 1:00:52 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Clemenza
Not only Europeans and pro-Europeans are Global Warming supporters, and there are plenty of European and pro-European Global Warming detractors (though the EU has taken up climate change as its new pet project to remain relevant in the post-Cold War [or post fall of the Soviet Union--to not ruffle the feathers of those who consider the Cold War to still be on] world).
13 posted on 05/09/2007 1:16:20 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: jdm
...the registry is a crucial precursor to both mandatory and market-based regulation...

Praytell what might a 'market based regulation' be?

14 posted on 05/09/2007 1:38:43 AM PDT by Inquisitive1
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To: Clemenza

You have Gore, Bush, and many more that is linked with the New World Order agenda also coming from the European counterparts with the RIIA.......which means the Global warming push....which is crap; is part of the agenda. This was set up in the Iron Mountain report of 1967.....[it is not a hoax as people say]


15 posted on 05/09/2007 1:58:27 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; Clemenza

Yikes! Clemenza really surprised me on this thread. If you’re “Kraut Boy”, I guess I’m “Donut Boy”, but at least those are from somewhat healthy food groups -lol!

Sorry about that. He’s normally a really great guy.

I’m sure it’s nothing personal. Watching our country under the assault of socialists who require warning labels on shoe-strings so they don’t get hurt putting on their shoes wears a man down and leaves us pretty ornery.

Please don’t let this put you off. I’ve learned a lot from your insights on European affairs and I can’t stand to see any more of our European breathren driven out of the fold.


16 posted on 05/09/2007 2:02:27 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: jdm

HEY! We don’t have much for ski slopes, so what the heck? I’m all FOR global warming. Crank it up!


17 posted on 05/09/2007 2:08:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: jdm
Just what we need, another corrupt bureaucracy playing God, led by a bad actor. Gee, before Arnold starting spouting the Global Warming Cult mantras, we were getting some decent rain fall. Now were getting back to the Jerry “Brown” California days of drought.
18 posted on 05/09/2007 2:09:21 AM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Christ's Kingdom on Earth is the answer. What is your question?)
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To: Caipirabob; Clemenza

No worries. I have had generally good exchanges with Clemenza in the past. My skin is thick like that of a well-roasted pig. Besides, Germans really do eat a lot of Kräuter. ;0)

We all wake up on the wrong side of the beg. Maybe he had a rough night sleeping with the fishes.


19 posted on 05/09/2007 2:09:54 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

beg = bed.


20 posted on 05/09/2007 2:10:14 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I don’t believe anthropogenic global warming is possible when one considers Beer’s Law. The relationship between absorption and concentration is logarithmic. Even if CO2 were to double or quadruple, there would be no further increase in absorption of the wavelengths that CO2 can block. We are already maxed out.

Perhaps there is still some room left on the curve for other greenhouse gases, but not for CO2.


21 posted on 05/09/2007 2:21:16 AM PDT by Chuckulator
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To: Chuckulator
I don’t believe anthropogenic global warming is possible when one considers Beer’s Law. The relationship between absorption and concentration is logarithmic. Even if CO2 were to double or quadruple, there would be no further increase in absorption of the wavelengths that CO2 can block. We are already maxed out.

My understanding was that Beer's law was maxed out at 800ppm. We have a way to go first. But yes, you are correct, methane is actually a much scarier GHG.

22 posted on 05/09/2007 2:24:29 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

I am not sure what “maxing out at 800” means. Does that mean that Beer’s law no longer applies at concentrations above 800 or that no more heat is possible to be retained at higher concentrations?

Even if the latter were correct. The amount of heat blocked between the difference of 380 and 800 ppm would be very small. That is the nature of the logarithmic relationship.

The sources that I have read say that the CO2 in the first 100 meters of the atmosphere is enough to block all the radiant wavelengths that CO2 can block.

One of the challenges of these discussions is agreeing on what data set to use. If neither side trusts the others’ data, it is hard to find common ground for discussion.

However, the mathematical relationship is undisputed and really there can be no significant effect of additional CO2.


23 posted on 05/09/2007 2:34:56 AM PDT by Chuckulator
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To: Chuckulator
However, the mathematical relationship is undisputed and really there can be no significant effect of additional CO2.

At what concentration per million was there no further effect? Perhaps I am misunderstanding, and am no mathematician, but it seems that at 180 we get less heat retained than at 280. At what point does the addition of CO2 no longer mean anything?

24 posted on 05/09/2007 2:58:08 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: jdm

so of these 31 states how many have Dem Govs.


25 posted on 05/09/2007 3:01:30 AM PDT by Gone_Postal (Communism works only in Heaven, where they don’t need it, and in Hell, where they’ve already got)
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To: jdm

In 10 years from now, this will be seen as the greatest mass hysteria, mass stupidity of the last 500 years.


26 posted on 05/09/2007 3:27:48 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: jdm; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; SideoutFred; Ole Okie; ...


FReepmail me to get on or off
Click on POGW graphic for full GW rundown
Dr. John Ray's
GREENIE WATCH


Things to tackle first:
Global Dumbing
Global Scamming
Global Terror
Global Political HotAir Production
....
27 posted on 05/09/2007 4:27:16 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: jdm

Not surprising my Marxist governor, Granholm (communist-Michigan), would support this garbage. She’s currently trying to establish unelected soviet socialist councils to steal all the land, homes and businesses in the state.


28 posted on 05/09/2007 5:47:15 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50˘ coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: jdm

31 Governors are ready to shut down all the coal-fired power plants in their states.

31 states to have no electricity to run cameras, newspapers, microphones and print news releases for the Governors.

31 Governors will no longer use chaffeurs and limos 5 times a day.

31 Governor mansions will be shut and the Governors will be forced to live in an ordinary 2,000 sq. foot house.

Yeah right.


29 posted on 05/09/2007 7:25:01 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Don't EVER take anything I say on this forum personally. If I want to make it personal, I will take it offline.

I am just sick of the Europeans seeing people with white skin and thinking "if they look like us, why don't they think like us?" If you want to see a new world society that thinks and acts like continentals, look to Argentina, not the U.S.

When Luigi Barzini said over 40 years ago that Americans are alone in the world, he was being prescient, albeit for the wrong reasons.

BTW: I apologize for using the K-word. I have visited western Germany and found most of the locals to be friendly, much more so than in France or Italy, btw. I just can't identify with the emphasis on consensus, collective over individual rights, and the rather pagan reverance for the environment that I find when I meet or correspond with the German-speaking world.

I will leave you with a quote from the American authour Henry Miller (born Gottlieb Mueller in Brooklyn), "Germans make the worst Germans, but the best Americans." ;-)

30 posted on 05/09/2007 10:56:37 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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