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To: Hemingway's Ghost

You said — “Nothing personal, but I sincerly doubt you could make the “argument” you made without using such a heavy dose of metaphysics. Go ahead and try, limiting your argument to the “Earthly” realm . . .”

Well, you’ll note in the post I was responding to (post #250), that the poster referred to — “GOD given right to liberty”. And thus, from that, we see that this realm actually *establishes* rights — in this very place, called earth. In fact the object of God and what He says — is really upon this earth and how we actually *live* upon this earth, besides what will happen afterwards.

And, by the way, what happens *afterwards* will also happen *on this earth* — as we see that from the Millennial Reign of Jesus Christ — right here on this very same earth, with these same human beings, ruling and reigning over these same nations that we see today, and over these same peoples who exist on this earth today.

So, *contrary* to what you want to say, it is this *very earth* itself and our existence upon this earth that is spoken about in the Bible and which has the attention of God and God’s actions.

By the word of the Declaration of Independence, we *only* have these certain rights *absolutely guaranteed* (in which no government has the right to take them away) precisely because it’s God, Himself who has granted them — and not — any of these governmental powers.

And so we see, by God’s own words and how He tells us to “live on this earth” (and not simply wait for the “by and by”) — that it is nothing short of *utter depravity* in which people engage in prostitution.

God furthermore states and makes it emphatic that *depravity begats depravity* — and only the *depraved* praise and encourage more depravity.

Thus this is what we see here, nothing less than *depraved individuals* encouraging and giving their “hearty approval” to other depraved individuals to commit more and like depraved acts.

That is the very simple message of what is going on — right here, on this earth — and not in the “by and by, in the sky”. Prostitution is nothing more than depraved individuals acting out their sinful passions and encouraging more depravity for society and for each other.

The Bible is also clear that what happens *on this earth* — when depraved individuals choose to ignore God and encourage what they know to be sin, they simply go downhill into more depraved actions.

We see from what the Apostle Paul says about what happens *right here on earth* — in regards to these kinds of *depraved individuals* who like to encourage other to engage in like and sinful actions...

Romans 1:16-32 —

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.

27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,

30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

This is definitely a most fitting description of those who promote the sinful actions that God declares as such. This does describe many of the posters here....


285 posted on 05/10/2007 10:29:58 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

This is definitely a most fitting description of those who promote the sinful actions that God declares as such. This does describe many of the posters here....

These words remind me of Luke 18:9-14


290 posted on 05/10/2007 10:57:26 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, you’ll note in the post I was responding to (post #250), . . .

Rest of post redacted for brevity.

You went a long way to say yeah, I was right.

310 posted on 05/10/2007 12:12:26 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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