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1 posted on 05/09/2007 7:18:23 AM PDT by malibu2008
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Ron Paul gets it.


2 posted on 05/09/2007 7:20:51 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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So if I call somebody stupid, who in fact has done poorly in school, does that constitute as a hate crime?

If so, get the handcuffs ready because I have an explosive mouth.


3 posted on 05/09/2007 7:20:58 AM PDT by wastedyears (To a liberal, "feeling safe" is far more important than "being safe" Credit to TruthShallSetYouFree)
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4 posted on 05/09/2007 7:21:47 AM PDT by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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Wake up America — this atrocity of a bill is typical of the way the radical left wants to CONTROL YOUR LIBERTIES AND FREEDOMS — by making everything that they do not want said about their criminal and corrupt ways a crime.

Wake up now!!! Thank God that Bush will veto this freedom-destroying crap of a bill. Your socialist left at work.


6 posted on 05/09/2007 7:23:47 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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I have asked several proponents of such “hate crimes” legislation the same questions - and have NEVER received and answer - not even a stupid answer:

1. If someone murders me because I am in the way of a robbery, and someone else is murdered and the murderer has expressed hatred for a race - does that make the one murdered by the racist any more dead than me?

2. Someone gets in a fight with a homosexual after having sendt an email against gay marriage - does that make them more guilty than someone in a fight with a straight person?

3. Why stop at protecting gays? how about enhanced penalties for those who victimized old people? How about those pro-abortion folks who assaulted the peaceful anti-abortion protesters outside of an abortion clinic? How about teachers who are assaulted because a “student” really hates his teachers? How about the school shooter who takes a gun to school and murders his classmates because of his “HATE”? How about the gang member who shoots up a house because a member of a rival gang (who he of course, hates) lives there?

4. So - doesn’t all crime involve some form of hate? If we loved one another - then we would not commit crimes against each other...

The truth is - hate crimes legislation is 100% a tool to silence views that are contrary to the liberal worldview.


9 posted on 05/09/2007 7:39:16 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: malibu2008

Ron Paul for POTUS!


12 posted on 05/09/2007 7:58:22 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian; traviskicks

ping


13 posted on 05/09/2007 8:03:42 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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Good for Ron Paul. I’m not going to vote for him in the primary, but I respect him for this.


21 posted on 05/09/2007 8:45:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Are people who physically attack homosexuals and minorities being prosecuted less forcefully by right wing/religious zealot-type judges? Are they being released or given a slap on the wrist because their victims were asking for it solely for perceived as gay or because of skin color?

No? Then what they heck do we need hate crime laws for?

35 posted on 05/09/2007 10:36:41 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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But...but...Ron Paul is a Libertarian kook, he always votes no...this can’t be < /Paul haters >


51 posted on 05/09/2007 1:23:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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We can’t win against terrorism unless we put a stop to the machine that generates and approves stupid, unconstitutional legislation, be it anti-hate thought or cutting off military funding. It’s all linked.


79 posted on 05/09/2007 2:12:29 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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I don't object to hate crimes laws as many do. Properly applied, all they do is offer sentencing guidelines and provide for tracking. To use my usual example, spray-painting a swastika on a synagogue is a different crime than spray-painting "tommy loves suzie" on a highway overpass, even if the underlying physical act of vandalism is the same. Different crimes merit different punishments and demand different means of rehabilitation.

Again, worthwhile hate crimes laws do not create new crimes -- and that's my chief objection to HR 1592. It creates whole new federal offenses. Under local and state hate crimes laws, someone who's beaten up leaving a gay bar and someone who's beaten up leaving a sports bar would have their crimes investigated by the same cops and tried in the same courts. Under this bill, the people who beat up the guy outside the gay bar could be investigated by the FBI and tried in federal court.

So while I don't agree with the first amendment "tought police" argument, this is clearly an overreach into areas of criminal law that are properly, constitutionally, left to the states.

81 posted on 05/09/2007 2:17:46 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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Under the United States Constitution,...

Basing one's argument on a foundation that has been completely destroyed, at the behest of both Parties, is not a good idea.

107 posted on 05/09/2007 4:35:23 PM PDT by Wolfie
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Good for him. I've always wondered - is a sex crime a 'hate' crime or a 'love' crime? It's all in your perspective.

SARCASM!!!

127 posted on 05/09/2007 6:14:37 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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