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CHOICE CLEAR FOR GIULIANI: STAUNCHLY BACKS PRO-ABORT STAND IN ALA.
NY Post ^ | May 10, 2007 | By CARL CAMPANILE Post Correspondent

Posted on 05/10/2007 2:44:16 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

The guy is Kerry in disguise.


21 posted on 05/10/2007 4:57:58 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"I do not get into debates with the pope. It's not a good idea. Issues like that are between me and my confessor," Giuliani said.

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What incredible arrogance. This man is beyond belief.

22 posted on 05/10/2007 4:58:40 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Rudy just lost the nomination.

He loses it with every new Rudy thread. It's like Groundhog Day.

23 posted on 05/10/2007 5:09:19 AM PDT by Swordfished (look out for Romney/Watts in '08)
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To: Jim Robinson
If he doesn’t lose the Catholic (or Evangelical) vote over this, then there is something terribly wrong with their church/es.
24 posted on 05/10/2007 5:43:36 AM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: Jim Robinson
"I do not get into debates with the pope. It's not a good idea. Issues like that are between me and my confessor," Giuliani said.

So who is his confessor? Perhaps Monseigneur Placa, the accused child-molester, who works for and is defended by the legal staff at Giuliani's security firm?
25 posted on 05/10/2007 5:45:43 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP รท Rudi = Hillary)
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To: xsmommy; tioga
"I do not get into debates with the pope. It's not a good idea. Issues like that are between me and my confessor," Giuliani said.

He really should come to confession at my parish. I can vividly imagine how THAT would go.

26 posted on 05/10/2007 5:45:47 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (the Democrat(ic) caucus of corruption)
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To: Jim Robinson

Skunks take an equally strong and offensive stand.


27 posted on 05/10/2007 5:48:21 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy just administered his campaign a dose of RU-486.
This is his exit strategy to save face.....just you watch.


28 posted on 05/10/2007 5:55:53 AM PDT by conserv8ive1 (Rudy and the Bots...blasting off to oblivion.)
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To: NeoCaveman

i would be very surprised if he actually GOES to confession.


29 posted on 05/10/2007 5:59:44 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: AHerald

exactly, and i will say it again, he better not have the nerve to attempt to take communion publicly at any point during this campaign.


30 posted on 05/10/2007 6:01:21 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Jim Robinson; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

31 posted on 05/10/2007 6:02:35 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Guenevere; Jim Robinson
If the Republican Party is morally bankrupt enough to nominate him....
I can't even finish my thought!

Let me help you out - ...it deserves a hard, arse-first fall.

I've seriously considered the damage Giuliani would do to the GOP in as much as the party holding the Conservatives' cup-bearer status and had rather we defeat the liberal now. Giuliani has already repeatedly stated he intends no compromise to appease Conservatives and Conservatives realize Giuliani's long-held positions entirely antithetical to their/our principles and won't likely move in his direction enmasse sufficient to win the general.

In essence, there's too much ground to compromise either way, so we must work diligently to secure Rudy's early retirement.

32 posted on 05/10/2007 6:11:04 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Jim Robinson
But Giuliani's position - and the fact that he contributed $900 to abortion provider Planned Parenthood - has only ignited more criticism from activists on both sides of the issue. He defended his donation, saying the group gives counseling on abortion and other options that square with his position.

That's like giving hundreds of dollars to the NRA, even though you hate guns, because you like their law enforcement training programs.

33 posted on 05/10/2007 6:11:28 AM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: cpforlife.org
Not only has he lost the Republican nomination, but he has also been automatically excommunicated from the Catholic Church.

No practicing Roman Catholic can support or contribute to his campaign when there are viable, pro-life candidates. And no Catholic institutions can allow him to speak at their functions.

This is 1976 all over again -- and Ford/Guliani loses.

34 posted on 05/10/2007 6:12:25 AM PDT by CWW (Make the most of the loss, and regroup for 2008!!)
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To: CWW
CWW,

Thanks. You remind me to post what I posted many times re: Kerry.


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Abortion and Excommunication
May 20, 2004

Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral, commits the sin of heresy and incurs an automatic sentence of excommunication.

Canon Law and Church Teaching

Canon 1398: “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”

Canon 1364 §1: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”

The phrase “latae sententiae” means a judgment or sentence which has already been brought, in other words, a sentence or judgment which does not need a future additional judgment from someone in authority; it refers to a type of excommunication which is automatic. Such a sentence of excommunication is incurred “by the very commission of the offense,” (CCC 2272) and does not require the future particular judgment of a case by competent authority.

Apostasy, heresy, and schism are all offences which incur a sentence of excommunication automatically. Heresy is the obstinate denial of any truth of the Catholic faith, on a matter of faith or morals, which has been definitively taught by the Magisterium. The Magisterium has repeatedly and definitively taught that abortion is always gravely immoral. (CCC 2270 to 2275)

Pope John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, n. 57: “Therefore, by the authority which Christ conferred upon Peter and his Successors, and in communion with the Bishops of the Catholic Church, I confirm that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being is always gravely immoral. This doctrine, based upon that unwritten law which man, in the light of reason, finds in his own heart (cf. Rom 2:14-15), is reaffirmed by Sacred Scripture, transmitted by the Tradition of the Church and taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium.”

Obtaining an Abortion

Any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly obtains a procured abortion commits a mortal sin and is also automatically excommunicated, under canon 1398.

Under the laws of secular society, if one person commits a crime, then anyone who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for that person to commit that crime is called an accessory to that crime and is also subject to the penalties of law. Similarly, any Catholic who deliberately and knowingly provides essential or substantial means for any woman to procure an abortion also commits a mortal sin and also incurs the same sentence of excommunication.

Any Catholic who substantially assists another in the deliberate sin of abortion is also guilty of serious sin and also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

Believing in Abortion

Any Catholic who obstinately denies that abortion is always gravely immoral commits the sin of heresy. The sin of heresy also incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.

Unfortunately, some Catholics obstinately deny that abortion is always immoral, and some Catholics claim that abortion can, at times, be a morally-acceptable choice, and some Catholics claim that a person can, in good conscience, choose abortion. Under the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, canons 751 and 1364, all such Catholics are automatically excommunicated for the sin of heresy.

This sentence of latae sententiae excommunication applies to any Catholic who denies that abortion is gravely immoral, regardless of whether they keep this denial hidden or publicly reveal it.

Promoting Abortion

Those Catholics who publicly announce their denial that abortion is always gravely immoral, or who publicly promote abortion, or who publicly argue in favor of legalized abortion, also commit a mortal sin and also incur a sentence of automatic excommunication.

This sentence of excommunication applies to Catholics who are politicians, as well as to those Catholics who are political commentators, or public speakers, or who write or otherwise publicly communicate their erroneous view that abortion can be morally-acceptable or that abortion should be legal. This sentence of excommunication also certainly applies to those Catholics who claim to be theologians or Biblical scholars, but who believe or teach that abortion is not always gravely immoral.

Those Catholics who promote abortion are automatically excommunicated for two reasons. First, they have fallen into the sin of heresy by believing that abortion is not always gravely immoral (canons 751 and 1364). Second, these Catholics are providing substantial assistance for women to obtain abortions by influencing public policy to make abortions legal, and to keep abortions legal, and to broaden access to abortion. Those who provide such substantial assistance commit a mortal sin and incur a sentence of automatic excommunication (canon 1398).

Voting for Abortion

Any Catholic politician who casts a vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion, commits a mortal sin.

When such a vote indicates that the Catholic politician believes that abortion is not always gravely immoral, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canons 751 and 1364, because of heresy.

When such a vote is intended to have the effect of making abortion legal, or more easily obtainable, or more widely available, such a politician incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication, under canon 1398, as someone who is attempting to provide substantial or essential means for women to obtain abortions. Catholic politicians who pass laws which legalize, protect, or widen access to abortion, are providing essential assistance to women who want to obtain abortions.

It is not sufficient for Catholic politicians to claim that they are “personally opposed” to abortion. If any Catholic politician favors legalized abortion, despite a claim of personal opposition, such a politician commits a mortal sin by promoting abortion and by voting in favor of abortion.

The same is true for any Catholic who casts any vote with the intention of legalizing abortion, or of protecting laws allowing abortion, or of widening access to abortion. Such a voter commits a mortal sin and incurs a sentence of automatic excommunication for two reasons. First, they are committing the sin of heresy by believing that abortion should be legal and available. Second, they are committing the grievous sin of providing women with substantial or essential assistance in obtaining abortions, by attempting to legalize or broaden access to abortion.

However, if, for a period of time, Catholic politicians and voters are unable to enact a law prohibiting all abortion, then Catholic politicians and voters may in good conscience vote for whichever law offers the greatest restrictions and limits on abortion. Subsequently, Catholic politicians and voters are required by the moral law to continue to enact further restrictions and limits on abortion, to the greatest extent possible, and, at every possible opportunity, to vote for laws which completely outlaw abortion.

Voting for Politicians

In general, the moral law requires Catholic voters to vote for those candidates who oppose abortion over those who favor abortion. However, there are exceptions to this general principle. For example, if a political candidate favors abortion, but is a member of a party which generally opposes abortion, a Catholic voter may, in good conscience, vote for that candidate, with the intention of giving more political power to the party which opposes abortion.

In another case, a Catholic voter might, in good conscience, vote for a pro-abortion candidate, if the political office would offer no opportunity for the elected candidate to vote for or against abortion. Even so, every Catholic voter should consider that anyone who supports abortion, as if it were a woman’s right, or as if it could ever be a moral choice, must necessarily be someone who has a seriously limited understanding of morality and justice. Such a person would not often be the better candidate for any office in place of one who understands that abortion is gravely immoral.

In every case, a Catholic should vote in such a way as to obtain as many restrictions on abortion as possible, and so as to obtain the end to legalized abortion as soon as possible.

Constitutional Amendment

Within any constitutional form of government, it would be ideal to have a constitutional clause or amendment which permanently and completely outlaws all procured abortions. Such an amendment must ban all abortions, regardless of circumstance, so that the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent prenatal human being will be always contrary to human law, just as it is always contrary to the moral law.

A constitutional amendment can permit certain medical procedures, which are absolutely necessary to save the life of the mother, and which indirectly result in the unintended and unsought death of the prenatal, only if there is no possible way to save the life of the prenatal. A prenatal is defined as any human being from conception to birth. Every reasonable effort should be made to save the lives of both mother and prenatal. If the life of the prenatal can be saved by no other possible option than by risking or allowing the death of the mother, then the prenatal must be saved.

Catholic teaching clearly allows for certain medical procedures, which indirectly and involuntarily result in the death of the prenatal, to save the life of the mother, but only when all options to save the life of the prenatal have been exhausted. Such a procedure is not an abortion and is not an exception wherein abortion is allowed.

On the other hand, a constitutional amendment which bans abortion with exceptions for various cases, such as rape, incest, or a risk to the mother’s life, would be worse than having no such amendment at all.

Any woman who is willing to commit the sin of abortion, would also be willing to lie. If a constitutional amendment permitted abortion in cases of rape, then any woman willing to lie and to falsely claim that she was raped, would be able to also claim that she had a constitutional right to an abortion. The result would be that a constitutional amendment, which seems to ban abortion with some exceptions, would end up giving every woman who is willing to tell a lie, a purported constitutional right to abortion. This situation would be worse than having no such constitutional amendment at all.

Therefore, the only acceptable pro-life constitutional amendment would be one that, in accordance with Catholic teaching, bans all procured abortions without exception.

Here is an example of a just constitutional amendment protecting human life.


--- by Ronald L. Conte Jr.




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35 posted on 05/10/2007 7:02:06 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: rockinqsranch
He is a Liberal that is dangerous to the identification of the Republican Party, thus a danger to the definition of Conservatism. He has to be eliminated from the Party.

He is a Liberal that is dangerous to the identification of the Republican Party, thus a danger to the definition of Conservatism. He has to be EXCOMMUNICATED from the Party.

There, fixed it.

36 posted on 05/10/2007 9:19:49 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: trisham

Does he know who the Pope is and Who the Pope represents?? These CINO’s who support abortion are in “heap big trouble” They need our prayers and need our sympathy but not our votes


37 posted on 05/10/2007 10:12:57 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: cpforlife.org

Is he wearing eyeliner in that photo?


38 posted on 05/10/2007 10:15:01 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jesseam

Agreed.


39 posted on 05/10/2007 10:15:29 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Jim Robinson

T-minus


40 posted on 05/10/2007 12:34:23 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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