Posted on 05/10/2007 11:59:08 PM PDT by neverdem
Where do you come off with such a bizarre statement?
If you have no trouble believing God designed and created a complicated weather system, or a complicated cosmic system of planets, stars and galaxies - why is it impossible to believe that God designed and created a complicated system of evolution?
It certainly isn't impossible for me to believe. I am a very firm believer in God and I am a very firm believer in evolution.
Just because YOU can't believe that God created evolution, doesn't mean the rest of us have any problem with it.
Then they don’t believe in their own Bible, the Bible and evolution don’t mix very well.
What???? The Vatican is who authorized what writings would be included in the Bible. Just where do you think the Bible came from? Do you think it just materialized out of nowhere?
The Catholic Church sat down and decided exactly what writings would be included in what we now call the Bible. How do you figure the Catholic Church "doesn't believe" in the Bible?
You say the Bible and evolution don't mix.
Ok, tell me this - just who did Cain go off and mate with after he killed Abel - especially since all there was at the time was Adam, Eve and Cain. Just who did Cain marry? An un-named sister?
Genesis also says there were "giants" in the land. And it also says the "sons of God mated with the daughters of men". Who were these giants? Who were these "sons of God"?
There is plenty in the Old Testament that doesn't add up.
The Bible also doesn't mention antibotics or open-heart surgery. Does that mean we shouldn't believe in them?
Except for the fact that Jesus specifically gave the Keys to the Kingdom to Peter - not to all believers, but to Peter. The successor of Peter speaks with the authority of God - who gave him that authority.
Jesus did not give the keys of the Kingdom to "Joe Smoe".
So you want a time span? Fine. Between 10,000 and 3.5 billion years.
That's why the questions are valid. If you remove the complicating factors of time and lack of evidence at that time, does the Flood itself render the Bible scientifically inaccurate?
When Adam was created, he was created as a grown man, an adult. If one were to examine him, it would be concluded based on observations and the level of maturity that he was many years old, say 21, 30, whatever.
If a creationist were asked how old Adam was on the day he was created, he would say one day old. The *scientific* community would have a field day with this because it didn't match the know *facts* or *observations*. Any *intelligent* person would clearly be able to see that he was an adult and conclude that he had grown to adult hood. The creationists would be mocked and ridiculed for saying something that clearly goes against something so blatantly obvious, yet they are right and the scientists are wrong.
In today's climate, though, there's always the assumption that when there's a conflict between Scripture and science, it's Scripture that's automatically wrong because science is science and some people would rather trust what they can see and measure. But they would be the ones who are wrong.
Science is a system for gathering information and coming to conclusions about that information, but as long as it is going to be limited by scientists to the scope of the world which it deals with, the conclusions it comes to can not be depended on to be correct.
Ok. I'll revise it from "cults" to individuals who choose to believe certain, highly selected, parts of a work of a historical fiction are a god's literal words.
And how do you know that it’s historical fiction? On what basis do you make that determination?
I guess you could just say that I lack the faith needed to make that leap.
Ok, tell me this - just who did Cain go off and mate with after he killed Abel - especially since all there was at the time was Adam, Eve and Cain. Just who did Cain marry? An un-named sister?
Genesis also says there were “giants” in the land. And it also says the “sons of God mated with the daughters of men”. Who were these giants? Who were these “sons of God”?
First of all, I can tell that you are one mixed up person. The Catholics did not write the Bible, it was written by men inspired by God, not Catholics. And as far as who did Cain marry? There were many more people on earth when that happened than just Adam & Eve because it doesn’t say how much time passed when he killed Able, so in was in fact one of his sisters that he went of to Nod and married. And as far as these giants go, did you not read the story about the Angles that were kicked out of heaven. You really need to do some studying. Even your Bible says that 2Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, so how can you say that there are mistakes in the Bible?
Just because YOU can’t believe that God created evolution, doesn’t mean the rest of us have any problem with it.
You are really mixed up, I will pray for you.
Sorry - you are the one who is mixed up - go back and read my post. I never said the Bible was written by the Catholic Church. What I did say, and what is historical fact, is that it was the Catholic Church who compiled the Bible. The current Bible we use did not drop out of the sky. It was compiled by the early Catholic Church in the late second century.
As to your claim that Cain went off and married his sister - since the Bible does not say that, that is merely YOUR opinion. Nowhere does the Bible say the "giants in the land" were fallen angels - again your personal opinion. Now the "sons of God" who mated with the "daughters of Men" were probably angels - but again the Bible does not say so.
As to your claim that there are no mistakes in the Bible, there are many.
For example, who was the father of Joseph?:
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Who was his father? Heli or Jacob?
In Genesis did God make the animals first or did he make Adam first? Genesis says both:
GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
But then:
GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Chapter 1 says that God made the beasts of the field first and then made Adam. Chapter 2 says God made Adam and afterwards made the beasts of the field. Which is it?
How many animals of each kind did Noah take on the Ark?:
GEN 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
GEN 7:8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, GEN 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
Verse 2 says that seven pair of the "clean" beasts were to be taken on the Ark, then verse 9 says two of the "clean" AND of the "not clean". Which is it?
Leviticus says: "LEV 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."
Rabbits and hares do NOT chew their cud. This is clearly a mistake.
How many stalls did Solomon have?:
KI1 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
CH2 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
4,000 or 40,000? The bible says both - an obvious mistake.
Is wisdom folly or not?:
PRO 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
ECC 1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
Which is it?
The sins of the fathers:
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers.
Which is right?
How did Judas die?:
Acts 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."
Matt. 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."
So, did he hang himself or did he fall and "burst asunder"?
What were the last words of Jesus on the cross?:
Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
We have 3 different "last words" - which one is correct and which 2 are wrong?
How many years of famine?:
II SAMUEL 24:13: So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall SEVEN YEARS OF FAMINE come unto thee in thy land? or will thou flee three months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?
I CHRONICLES 21:11: SO God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Choose thee. Either THREE YEARS OF FAMINE or three months to be destryed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee;
Three years of famine or seven years of famine?
Who moved David to anger?:
II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.
I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.
So who moved David to anger? God or Satan?
Can God be seen?:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)
Which is it? Can God be seen or not be seen?
Did those with Paul at his conversion hear a voice?:
ACT 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. ACT 22:9 And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Did they hear a voice or not hear a voice? Which is it?
Hide good deeds or not?:
Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven."
Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secert. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
Which is it?
My point here is not to trash the Bible - it is merely to point out that there are many inconsistancies and many contradictions in the Bible. There are many more than the few I have listed here.
For those who insist the Bible must be taken literally word for word - which words do you take?
Thanks again!
I don’t really dwell on how uninspired people translated the Bible from the original version. All of these supposing mistakes that you are talking about are just a matter of translation.
They are more than "supposing mistakes" - they are flat out goofs.
How do you know there aren't other mistakes in translations? (hint - there are).
The verse that says "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" did not say that in the original book, it said "Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live". That verse was used to kill thousands of "witches" in the Middle Ages - all based on a mistake. Paul says something about homosexuals - but the actual Greek word was the word for "male prostitute".
There were many mistranslations - so if you are going to take the Bible literally, word for word, you may be basing your beliefs on a mistranslation.
Kinda makes the Biblical "proof" than dinosaurs co-existed with man a bit iffy.
There were many mistranslations - so if you are going to take the Bible literally, word for word, you may be basing your beliefs on a mistranslation.
The most important event in the Bible is the Gospel, that Jesus died for me and you, and rose again to live so that we might have life eternally thru Him. I don’t dwell on the mistakes that you talk about, they don’t really matter in my walk, I would rather dwell on the positive.
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