Oink Oink! - Why Islam forbids Pork

Muslim Weekly ^ | May 11, 2007

[Alouette]

Saddam Hussein was fond of canned hams.

Only for sex.

[TASMANIANRED]

Not only making up excuses.. Makes up the age of Islam.

[TASMANIANRED]

Didn’t you hear.. toothbrushes are not halel.

[John Leland 1789]

Christians didn’t simply disregard the Jewish Scriptures with regard to the prohibition on eating pork. I suggest reading the following:

Acts 10:9—the remainder of the chapter
Romans ch. 14
Colossians ch. 2

In fact, many Christians abstain from the eating of pork for health reasons, but not as a religious mandate. No Bible-believing Christian believes that eating or not eating pork will affect, one way or another, ones access to God. Since Calvary, there is no religious exclusion of pork.

Many children’s homes and orphanages operated by Christian people keep pork out of the menus, and that for health reasons, not because the directors believe that the children would be affected spiritually by eating pork. When traveling, host families will sometimes serve pork (unconscious of the orphanage rules), and the children are not instructed to refuse the meal.

The late Lester Roloff, the founder of large children’s homes in southern Texas forbad pork, soft drinks, coffee and other things he believed were better left alone. Pork-eating Christians and their (mainly independent Baptist) churches were the principle supporters of Roloff’s homes. Roloff preached against pork on the radio as well as in the pulpits of churches that actually supported his work. But Brother Roloff never once suggested that the eternal destiny of a man’s soul, or a Christian’s access to God’s grace (Hebrews 414-16) was affected in the least by the eating of or abstaining from pork.

Bro. Rollof certainly never refused to sit next to a man who had a pork barbeque sandwich in his sack or in his hands. He would never sue in court; would never be offended by pork-eaters. It was simple to Brother Roloff. When you are caring for hundreds of young people, and you are responsible for their health, you restrict their diet for that purpose. The Roloff homes had/have large farms. The young people fish on the inter coastal waterway for their own fish.

When I was a small boy, I suffered from boils. Our family doctor, a Christian, not a Jew or a Muslim, instructed my parents to take pork out of my diet. They did. The boils stopped occurring. I do occasionally enjoy pork now (51 years old), and I don’t get boils.

When I pastored a church in the Philippines, a man wanted to give lessons on health to our people. He was a strict vegetarian. I told him, that’s fine . . . teach HEALTH, NOT DOCTRINE. He could freely teach what he believed to be good for folks to eat. I told him that the moment he began telling or implying that people were either good or bad Christians based on their abstaining from meats, etc., then I would stop him.

[safisoft]

BTW Calev was a Jew, not a convert.

Yes, I know that is the tradition, and possibly a valid one... but then again he may have been a part of the mixed multitude that came out of Mitzraim with benei Ysrea'el.

As for converting, can you tell me the formal process prior to the Great Assembly and Ezra? Where in the Torah does it describe such an important process? On the other hand, there is very clear teaching regarding gerim having the same toratot as benei Ysra'el. I love Artscroll's English translation of gerim to "proselyte." Too bad they are not consistent with it however. Otherwise, Ya'akov is proselyte (he is called gerim). Avraham is a proselyte (he is called gerim). Yikes!

On the other hand, I have no problem with a formal conversion process provided it is understood to be a tradition and not Torah. (BTW, I am not a Karaite either).

[safisoft]

In fact, many Christians abstain from the eating of pork for health reasons, but not as a religious mandate. No Bible-believing Christian believes that eating or not eating pork will affect, one way or another, ones access to God. Since Calvary, there is no religious exclusion of pork.

Your understanding of Christian history is incomplete. There have always been Christians who abstained from eating unclean animals. True, they are not a majority, but don't assume a doctrine is universal simply because it is yours.

I am a student of Christian and Jewish history and I can assure you that your theological assumptions are not as clear as your English Bible, and your "church" history have taught. Spend a little time studying the laws for food and you will quickly learn that it has nothing to do with health. Turn to Isaiah 65. Notice anything interesting? There at the beginning of a chapter discussing a "new heaven and a new earth" (Rev 22), in Isaiah 65:4 it talks about how G-d still rejects those who reject His instructions (no matter what "testament" they are in).

Now read "Jesus" words recorded in Matthew 5:17-18: When He said, "I did not come to abolish..." Do you think He meant Leviticus 11 as well? Put your theological thinking cap on for a moment. How could He, if He was Messiah BREAK and TEACH OTHERS TO BREAK the very Laws that Israel was chastised for breaking?

As for Acts 9 and 10. Please show me where Peter ate unclean animals. The vision was not about unclean animals or the laws about food. It was about Gentiles.

[safisoft]

Its a clear instance of Judaism's influence upon Islam. Muslim dietary law is derived from Jewish Kashrut regulations.

No question about it. As their 5 times a day for prayer a theft from both Jews (3 times) and Christians of the Seventh Century (7 times). He picked one between the two. What a thief < grin >.

[Alouette]

but then again he may have been a part of the mixed multitude

Numbers 13:6 states he was from the tribe of Judah.

there is very clear teaching regarding gerim having the same toratot as benei Ysra'el.

There are two kinds of ger. The ger tzedek is a gentile who converts to full Judaism, the ger toshav is a Noahide who lives in the land of Israel.

Ezra and the Great Assembly codified the conversion process. Prior to that, a convert accepted upon himself (or herself) the laws of Moses.

We see already that Ruth was not accepted by everyone as a valid convert, because of the prohibition against accepting Moabites as converts, however it was taught that female converts of Moab are accepted.

[John Leland 1789]

Are you a Seventh Day Adventist?

In Acts chapter 10, God DID INDEED tell Peter to eat animals that Peter had, up to that revelation from heaven, known to be unclean. God told Peter to NOT call any of those animals unclean, because God had cleansed them. Peter also knew that it was “unlawful” to company with people of other nations (Acts 10:28), but God told him to go to Cornelius house.

The fact is, there was a change in dispensation. God set Israel and her religious system aside because of the nation’s rejection of their Messiah-King, Jesus Christ, and their oft blaspheming of the Holy Spirit and rejection of the Spirit’s testimony through the post-resurrection ministry of the Apostles (Acts chs. 2-8). (Read about the “casting away” of Israel in Romans chapter 11.)

God saved Saul of Tarsus, who became Paul, the Prisoner of Jesus Christ for the Gentiles. Through Paul’s ministry, God revealed the reconciliation of the whole world by the Cross, the Blood and the Merits of Christ, and revealed that He had thrown open the door of salvation to WHOSOEVER WILL believe on Christ. All who will believe on Christ are baptized by God’s Spirit into one Body, Believing Jews and believing Gentiles — one in Christ without religious distinction.

EATING OR ABSTAINING FROM MEATS IS NO LONGER AN ISSUE. PERIOD. You can eat the pork if your conscience allows you, or you can abstain if your conscience forbids you. You can eat the shrimp or abstain from the shrimp.

Christ Jesus FULFILLED THE LAW BY PAYING ITS FULL PENALTY AT THE CROSS.

1 Timothy 4:1-4

1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3. Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
4. For EVERY creature of God is good, and NOTHING TO BE REFUSED, IF it be received with thanksgiving:
5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

It is a DOCTRINE OF DEVILS taught by seducing spirits to teach a Gentile or a member of Christ’s Body that he must refuse ANY creature in order to have access to God or have a better relationship to Him.

[Snowyman]

Its the fact that pigs and boars do not sweat and cannot cool by panting

Pigs do not have sweat glands .

You don't have to be that bright to figure out that if you live in a arid environment and keep pigs you'll find your pigs living in the same place that you depend on for your drinking water .They like to wallow in mud to keep cool. At the edge of your pond . Two things happen . One is that the water is constantly dirty and the other is that the surface area of your pond is constantly expanding , which in turn causes more and faster evaporation . Water loss is not good for you ! Without it in the desert you're going to die.

Mohammad got it wrong . Nothing new there.

[RipSawyer]

They start with a conclusion and then seek to justify it.

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In my experience the majority of people do this, most are incapable of doing otherwise.

[NRA2BFree]

The Koran was written by using bits and pieces extrapolated from the Bible and by using perverted ideas from a warped mind. I'll never understand why Muslims obey the Koran by eating no pork, but they ignore every other Commandment! It's OK for them to rape, to be a homosexual, to murder, to steal, and it's OK for them to get drunk, but oh-no, they can't eat pork. LOL ISLAM is a cult!!

In days of old, people weren't supposed to eat pork because it wasn't safe. Now it is, just like shell fish is. Eating pork or shell fish is one of the lesser things people need to worry about. God is more interested in what comes out of our mouth than what we put into it. He cares more about the condition of our heart.

[chesty_puller]

front 3/4" you may learn a little about the "back 1/4."

No thanks, I'm a Christian.

[safisoft]

It is a DOCTRINE OF DEVILS taught by seducing spirits to teach a Gentile or a member of Christ’s Body that he must refuse ANY creature in order to have access to God or have a better relationship to Him.

The anti-Semite Justin Martyr could not have said it better.

So, do you eat human flesh too? What is your biblical basis for not?

And no, I am not Seventh Day Adventist. I am a follower of a Jewish Torah teacher that you apparently do not know. Go read Romans 11 again.

[safisoft]

front 3/4" you may learn a little about the "back 1/4." No thanks, I'm a Christian.

LOL! What an answer. Go read Luke 24:25-27. What do you think "Moses and the Prophets" is? What do you think "Scriptures" refers to? Thanks for the laugh.

[chesty_puller]

While I revere your religion, you mock mine. Interesting

[safisoft]

Peter also knew that it was “unlawful” to company with people of other nations (Acts 10:28), but God told him to go to Cornelius house.

Ignorance of the "law" and ignorance of the Greek vocabulary have left many "Christians" in the position of accepting anti-Semitic theology and faulty English translations that promote a hidden theological agenda. The "unlawful" part of entering a Gentile home is not a biblical mandate. It is a tradition of men. That was the whole point of the vision. Likewise, teaching that "Jesus" set aside the commandments of G-d, is a tradition of men.

"...you invalidated the word of G-d for the sake of your tradition. Matthew 15:6

Have you read Ezekiel chapter 4? If not, you may be surprised that Peter was not the first to have such a vision - and it does not mean what you think it means.

[dman4384]

lol. What a stupid cult.

9 out fo 10 germs agree!...”pork is the favoured cradle of harmful germs”

[safisoft]

While I revere your religion, you mock mine. Interesting

Which religion is yours? Which is mine? Which do you revere and which did I mock?

I was pointing out that "Christian" is not the opposite of "Jew" - but then again, I am a "Whole-Bible" student.

[safisoft]

God set Israel and her religious system aside because of the nation’s rejection of their Messiah-King, Jesus Christ, and their oft blaspheming of the Holy Spirit and rejection of the Spirit’s testimony through the post-resurrection ministry of the Apostles

Sorry, just re-read this. Spend a little time in Acts. The first followers of "Jesus" were observant Jews who continued to worship in the Temple in Jerusalem. Acts 21 and 22 says that the followers of "Jesus" were zealous for the "Law" which means (shock) they kept kosher and a lot more. Paul, at the behest of James (his fake English name, his real name was Jacob, or Ya'akov) went to the Temple to fulfill and Nazerite vow and pay for others. SHOCK! He went to offer the necessary sacrifices in the Temple perscribed in Numbers 6. Paul, at the end of his life was STILL a Pharisee and NEVER spoke against the Jewish people, nor the "Law." Go read Acts 28 again. Back away from your English King James Bible, and learn some Hebrew and Greek.

There is a very Jewish Messiah returning. Will he find faithful obedience on the earth? In my book, the ulitmate blasphemy is to take the work and Words of the Almighty and call them "Doctrines of Devils."

The "Jesus" and the "Paul" you think you know about may not have been observant Jews. The gospel accounts and Acts say otherwise. I suppose that is the difference. Learn Who "Yeshua" is. Learn who "Sha'ul" was. Then you may see through your theological fog.