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To: qam1
Sad to say, you've missed the point entirely - or you are running from it.

Christian: God doesn't want you to sin but *Wink* *Wink*, God made you a sinner so do what you will...

God gave mankind "free will". That gives you the ability to reject Him. That's what mankind did - historically through Adam as well as ever since. That's not God's fault. That's ours (and yours).

... just somewhere down the road just acept Jesus Christ as your personal savior...

God provided the means to return into a relationship with Him after we have broken it. And, yes, that is through Jesus. It requires almost nothing on our part and everything on His part. It doesn't cost you a dime.

... and put some bucks in the collection plate and all is forgiven and you get to go to paradise for eternity!

You either made this up or you heard it from a fool. There is not a shred of truth in it and you know it. You are just mocking.

36 posted on 05/13/2007 5:22:40 AM PDT by Gritty (Would you condemn me to justify yourself? - God to Job, Job 41:8)
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To: Gritty; qam1
God gave mankind "free will". That gives you the ability to reject Him. That's what mankind did - historically through Adam as well as ever since. That's not God's fault. That's ours (and yours).

See, we atheists have a deep appreciation for the brilliance of your side's racket. You start off by creating a need for your product that can't be refuted at all (You are destined for eternal damnation from the moment of your birth!) and then you provide the equally irrefutable product solution (Believe what I tell you to believe about this entity no one has seen. He promises all sorts of awesome presents when you're dead!) and then you make the customer feel deep guilt if he doesn't buy your product (It's your fault God has to punish you. Just be thankful he gave you a way to escape eternal torture!).

The funny thing to atheists such as qam1 and myself is that believers are able to view this whole thing as a fantastic deal. There is a trilogy of movies called "Saw" where the main characters is a crazy, twisted serial killer with a heart of gold (named Jigsaw)-- totally ridiculous, but that's what believers are worshipping every Sunday. He promises his victims life if they make the right decision. He never lies to his victims, even though his instructions are sometimes very ambiguous. He sometimes gives clear instructions, but they are incomplete. He tells his victims, "Don't use the door." When that is ignored, the victim gets shot in the head, and, obviously, only has himself to blame (it's certainly not Jigsaw's fault, right?). Another victim is only asked to sit and talk to Jigsaw for two hours (like prayer), and when he doesn't, bad things happen to him, but his son is indeed released, alive (that is one compassionate serial killer, right? Let's give him the keys to the city-- or we can just worship him!).

God shifts blame to Adam and to Satan for why bad things happen, when it was God's decision to create Adam as a flawed being easily duped and it was God's decision to put temptation in front of him and it was God's decision to not destroy Satan completely when Satan started a war against God and it was God's decision to let Satan have the power to hang out in Paradise. I mean, really, the whole thing is totally ridiculous to us.

78 posted on 05/13/2007 10:36:26 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Gritty; qam1

I forgot the final point, which is that we wouldn’t want to worship this douchebag even if he were real.

In fact, it’s just as likely that worshipping this crazy sky person is a test to humanity from the actual supreme being in charge, and qam1 and I will have passed the test.


79 posted on 05/13/2007 10:38:59 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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