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To: qam1
You betray your bias with comments like this: Now if believing in an invisable man in the sky had anything to do with being moral ... It is no 'man in the sky' Who brings into existence all the mass and processes which sustain so delicately balanced a thing as the universe around you. BY your effort to diminish the Creator of the Universe, you reveal your need to deny that which your instinct tells you IS.

I was once where you are, decades ago. It is a perniciously arrogant place to dwell, dependent upon continually asserting that which your inner self knows is an error in your own reasoning. Is it possible to prove a negative? NO. Since it is impossible to prove a negative, why is your philosophy of life based upon the assumption of soemthing in the negative which it is impossible for you to ever have proof of, now or in some hereafter?

The mental position of atheist is supremely arrogant, supplanting the wonder at creation's reality with the little godhood of believing your intellect has seen the proof of a negative. The reality of faith stands in sharp contrast to that pernicious arrogance.

Consider the little child. The arrogance of assuming godhood, to 'know' there is no god has not crept into the little child's heart yet, so the little child instinctively has faith and it drives their life daily, even in unconditionally loving his parents and trusting their guidance. Argue if you will, but to proclaim there is no God is to at once dispaly a pernicious arrogance ... and it would be so easy to just state 'I don't know'.

'God IS, and He is a rewarder of them who diligently seek Him.' If one's morality is based on something less than 'an authority higher than man', the whim of those in power will always trump the life of those who are powerless, for their power rests upon usurpation of what our Declaration of Independence recognized as 'God given and thus inalienable rights'. If your morals are at your whim, I don't want you leading anything in my America ... we have the evidence of a democrat party proving that failed leadership and basing their empowerment upon the blood of more than 44 million alive innocent unborn fellow human beings.

77 posted on 05/13/2007 10:10:05 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
[...] Is it possible to prove a negative? NO. [...]

This is a common myth.

[...]If your morals are at your whim, I don't want you leading anything in my America [...]

By repeatedly using the term "pernicious arrogance," you imply that a person's lack of belief is based on a concious choice... that is, a "whim." If a person may adopt or reject religion on a "whim," then if one's moral framework is based on his religion, then likewise his morals are "at his whim."

I believe that Christian values are a great foundation for morality, but that doesn't mean that I believe in the Christian view of the universe. And yet, I don't think that my belief system is based on "arrogance."

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise," and who wouldn't want the wonderful comfort of believing he is embraced by a loving God who has a wonderful afterlife prepared? If I could believe that, why wouldn't I?    ...but I can't.

85 posted on 05/13/2007 11:01:05 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: MHGinTN

Even developmentally challenged children, such as Downs children, have a sense of God. It’s inborn. I personally know three adult Downs folk and they LOVE God and their lives and actions reflect it. It’s beautiful to see.


176 posted on 05/13/2007 7:21:46 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: MHGinTN
The mental position of atheist is supremely arrogant, supplanting the wonder at creation's reality with the little godhood of believing your intellect has seen the proof of a negative. The reality of faith stands in sharp contrast to that pernicious arrogance.

I would say it's the opposite. To believe that a complex being that could create all this, trillions of stars, galaxies, life forms, etc. would actually care about the trivialities of your life (like if your favorite player catches a touchdown pass), sure sounds a lot like arrogance to me.

Consider the little child. The arrogance of assuming godhood, to 'know' there is no god has not crept into the little child's heart yet, so the little child instinctively has faith and it drives their life daily, even in unconditionally loving his parents and trusting their guidance.

Unless of course if that child is born (like most children in the world) into a non-Christan home, then they have "instinctive faith" in some other God(s)

Argue if you will, but to proclaim there is no God is to at once dispaly a pernicious arrogance ... and it would be so easy to just state 'I don't know'.

I don't know and neither do you, but all evidence points to either no supreme creator or one that's not involved and all current religions were created by man.

... we have the evidence of a democrat party proving that failed leadership

That Democratic Party is made up by a big majority of Christians, let's not forget Jimmy Carter was the most Religious President of the 20th century

and basing their empowerment upon the blood of more than 44 million alive innocent unborn fellow human beings.

The majority of the innocent unborn human beings whose blood was spilled were aborted by a Christian mother.

186 posted on 05/13/2007 8:41:36 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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