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Senators haggle on visas Immigration bill talks are struggle (ALERT)
McClatchy Newspapers ^ | May 13, 2007 | Michael Doyle

Posted on 05/13/2007 3:19:08 PM PDT by Baladas

WASHINGTON - Congress can stage one heck of an immigration debate, as senators have shown. But writing new immigration law? That's the real test.

Starting as early as Monday, the Senate revives an immigration overhaul drama that still lacks a coherent ending. The cast is familiar and the lines well-rehearsed, but the plot is a work in progress.

"We've studied this enough," said Manuel Cunha, president of the Fresno, Calif.-based Nisei Farmers League. "Now, it's time to move it through."

Negotiators were meeting throughout the weekend, seeking a big compromise before public debate begins. On Friday, hinting at progress, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, R-Nev., agreed to postpone a key test vote so lawmakers could keep working.

Several big puzzles remain. In particular, senators are stymied on balancing family reunification vs. education and employment in granting visas.

Hoping to shape the outcome, Cunha and about 150 other farmer advocates will be swarming Capitol Hill throughout the week. Farmers want an agricultural guest-worker program included in the overall bill.

By the end of the two weeks that Reid has designated for debate, legislative prospects should become clearer.

"We've been working day in and day out for weeks," said Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J.

Menendez has been part of a rotating, bipartisan circle of lawmakers pursuing a comprehensive immigration package behind the scenes. Since mid-February, sometimes accompanied by members of President Bush's Cabinet, senators and staffers have convened in late afternoons for up to two hours, three days a week.

Like his Republican predecessor last year, former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, Reid scheduled Senate debate to spur the negotiators. Like last year, senators have pressed right up to the debate deadline.

If they can cut a deal acceptable to Democrats, the White House and a sufficient number of Republicans, the negotiators' bill will become the Senate's centerpiece. A Senate bill, in turn, will set up further negotiations with the House of Representatives.

Work in progress

The Senate's draft proposal includes some consensus elements. It would increase the number of border guards by about 50 percent. It would authorize a border fence for parts of California and Arizona. It would allow illegal immigrants to become legal if they learn English, pay fines and return briefly to their home countries.

One unresolved question is how much illegal immigrants would have to pay to achieve legal status. Some proposals call for total fees in excess of $10,000. Trickier still are proposals for a new point system allocating visas.

Current U.S. immigration policy emphasizes reuniting families. Some new proposals call for giving greater emphasis to immigrants who have desirable employment or educational backgrounds.

If negotiations stall, Reid will introduce a complicated, 600-plus-page bill that the Senate passed last year. Although it passed 62-36, with the help of 23 Republicans, changed political dynamics and last year's clunky political compromises now render it little more than a placeholder.

For instance, last year's bill, credited in part to Florida Republican Sen. Mel Martinez, divided the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants into three categories. This determined who could stay and who must go. Shortly after voting for the bill, lawmakers began backtracking from the compromise as unworkable.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; immigration; uscongress
They'll be a showdown on this this week or next. They're calling trying to grant full amnesty to illegals as "haggling over visas". Every Democrat and RINO knows it's do-or-die time on this, die.
1 posted on 05/13/2007 3:19:10 PM PDT by Baladas
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To: Baladas

All the DC airheads better go back to their states and districts and listen to their electorate. Illegal immigration is the hot topic among Americans that realize the negative impact this is having on them. I’ve noticed that my friends are discussing this hot topic at many social events. People are calling talk radio with their opinions as well. The only idiots that don’t realize this is a hot issue are in DC.


2 posted on 05/13/2007 3:28:42 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Baladas

“The Senate’s draft proposal includes some consensus elements. It would increase the number of border guards by about 50 percent. It would authorize a border fence for parts of California and Arizona. It would allow illegal immigrants to become legal if they learn English, pay fines and return briefly to their home countries. “

This is pure B S !!!!


3 posted on 05/13/2007 4:20:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

They can’t be THAT stupid. They want cheap labor, and plenty of it!


4 posted on 05/13/2007 4:23:43 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Baladas

If we can make it past the next few weeks amnesty should be dead for a while. The good news is the House may not be a cakewalk even if one does clear the Senate.


5 posted on 05/13/2007 5:03:07 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ExTexasRedhead
They can’t be THAT stupid. They want cheap labor, and plenty of it!

Agreed, they know how voters, especially within the GOP feel about their amnesty schemes because they do a lot of internal polling. It's all about cheap labor and satisfying their big business contributors.

6 posted on 05/13/2007 5:07:05 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Well, America has had a good run. It will likely be turned into a third world ghetto, if we don’t get rid of the RINO’s.


7 posted on 05/13/2007 5:17:05 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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Them and Kennedy. Until they’re gone expect things to get worse.


8 posted on 05/13/2007 5:25:53 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I was asked to introduce Ted Kennedy at my high school graduation(1972). I refused. Then they demanded I do it. I told them I would pass on the ceremony altogether. That is how it ended.


9 posted on 05/13/2007 5:32:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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That is how it ended.

Too bad his political career hadn't ended in 1972 before he could do anymore damage...

10 posted on 05/13/2007 5:40:03 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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I’ll wager Mary Jo Kopeckne wishes it had ended a couple years prior to 1972. That was my reason for refusing to announce him.


11 posted on 05/13/2007 5:45:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Baladas

This is absolute BS.

The senate CAN reform imigration by simply allowing for self deportation.

This means they can have the so call z visa if guest means guest and it can not be converted to ANY other status and there is no derivative family immigration.

even so,

those who are here should have no benefit of derivative deporatation.

KEEP IN MIND UNDER CURRENT LAW THEY HAVE A ROLLING AMNEST PROGRAM OF HARDSHIP VISAS (based on stay of deportation from an immigration judge)

It is just the illegals want something for nothing.

Remember 100% of all illegal aliens (aka illegal immigrants for the PC minded) are criminals.


12 posted on 05/13/2007 5:55:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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