Posted on 05/16/2007 5:17:01 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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Hank
Nevertheless, the 50s represented the high point of Western Civilization in the US during the 20th century. We'll examine that twentieth century heigth of civilization by seeing the kind of people that comprised that society in the next article in this series.
The '50s represent the culmination of the American society and culture prior to the New Deal. It was built on a spirit of individual enterprise learned and ingrained before the the rot of socialism and "communitarianism" took hold culturally. I think too many make the mistake of thinking big, centralized bureaucratic government was responsible for it because it's advent preceeded it. It just took it a while to overcome the inertia, but it was the death of it. We'll not see it again unless we throw off the yoke. IMHO.
Cordially,
The fundamental rule of logic is: there are no contradictions.
Nothing can both be and not be, no proposition can be both true and not true, no choice is both right and wrong, no act is both good and bad.
If so, there is a fundamental flaw in our Constitutions "republican form of government"; - wherein the States of the Union can enact laws that regulate/prohibit both individual behaviors, and the possession of 'dangerous items' of property, - in order to ensure that 'community standards' [the will of the majority] are followed.
He goes on to say:
It means an individual owns his own life, because he either owns it completely, or to some extent is a slave, and slaves are not free to choose. -
- It means he must be free to keep and use the product of his efforts because it is an extension of himself, and one cannot learn from the consequences of one's choices if someone else is in charge of them. That's called property rights.
Constitutionally enacted State regulations are "both good and bad." - They protect community standards while regulating an individuals liberty. - Not so?
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“If you could bring someone from the 1950s into today’s world, they also would not recognize it; they would, in fact, be horrified.”
Horse puckey. The fifty years from 1950 to 2000 are unchanged compared to the fifty years from 1900 to 1950.
For example, imagine the 1967 NFL championship game halftime show featuring a musical group for 1917. Now consider the 2005 Super Bowl half time featuring the Rolling Stones, a group from nearly fifty years ago. The former rates an ‘impossible’ while the latter happened.
“Constitutionally enacted State regulations are ‘both good and bad.’ - They protect community standards while regulating an individuals liberty. - Not so?”
I’m not a collectivist, I have no idea what “community” (or tribal, or gang, or class) standards are. I only know what objective standards are. Anything that, “regulates,” is not “liberty.” Anyone or anything that regulates what an individual does with their own person or property is bad. I’m sure your namesake would agree with me.
Hank
“We’ll not see it again unless we throw off the yoke.”
Very unlikely in my opinion. I’m sure the West will crash and burn, but am hopeful enough individualists will remove themselves before that happens, and remain to rebuild civilization, as has happened so often.
Hank
Thanks for the comments.
Hank
That someone would not even understand this sentence. Back then, "someone" was only one person, usually referred to as one, he or she. Nowadays, someONE is actually many people, referred to as as THEY.
I think the author refers to, but overreaches when he does so, the law of excluded middle. It refers to statements of fact, however. Good and bad, by comparison, are statements of values. Not only they vary from person to person, but even a single individual struggles to ascertain what is good and what is bad. The law of the excluded middle simply does not apply here.
I’ll take the Constitution any day over mushy-headed libertarian “philosophy.”
The fundamental rule of logic is: there are no contradictions.
Nothing can both be and not be, no proposition can be both true and not true, no choice is both right and wrong, no act is both good and bad.
If so, there is a fundamental flaw in our Constitutions "republican form of government"; - wherein the States of the Union can enact laws that regulate/prohibit both individual behaviors, and the possession of 'dangerous items' of property, - in order to ensure that 'community standards' [the will of the majority] are followed.
Constitutionally enacted State regulations are "both good and bad." - They protect community standards while regulating an individuals liberty. - Not so?
Tailgunner Joe wrote:
I'll take the Constitution any day over mushy-headed libertarian 'philosophy.'
Joe, libertarian philosophy is based on our constitution's principles.
If all our elected officials were forced to use those principles in writing & enforcing our regulatory laws, there would be no need for "mushy headed" name calling.
The good vs. bad analogy is a reference to logical thought. You’ve missed the point.
What point has Firehammer made by issuing questionably ‘logical’ edicts?
Wasn’t he merely giving an example of either/or—law of the excluded middle? Maybe I missed something?
You missed reading [and understanding] post #12.
“Wasn’t he merely giving an example of either/or—law of the excluded middle?”
That’s right. There is no ambiguity about the terms good and bad. That’s the game of postivists (think post-modernists and moral relativism). Value terms like good and bad are tems of a relationship, and are always in the context, “with this purpose or end in mind,” x is good, or x is bad. It is only when the context is left out, or when an abiguous or vague end or purpose is intentionally used as the context that the obfuscation of absolute values is possible. It’s a kind of dishonesty, as all obfuscation is, and attempt to justify wrong—”after all, good and bad are only relative.”
Regi
What you're saying here reminds me a little of Alan Bloom in his Closing of the American Mind.
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