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Benedict backs excommunication for pro-abortion pollies
Catholic News ^
| May 10, 2007
| Pope Benedict XVI
Posted on 05/16/2007 1:57:14 PM PDT by malibu2008
Edited on 05/16/2007 2:32:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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To: PeteB570; malibu2008
Another play by my rules or Ill take my ball and go home post. Man, its going to be a long time until next November. Voters are supposed to demand that candidates play by their rules. That is what parties are about. Parties have platforms and the candidates are supposed to stick to them because the voters believe in the platforms and want them carried out. I know this is a hard concept for Rudybots to grasp but that is the way it works.
If you are a republican you are supposed to be conservative. You are not supposed to condone murder, you are not supposed to try to trash the 2nd amendment, you are supposed to uphold the laws of the country, I.E.: deporting illegals and securing the border.
Yep, if Rudy won't play by those rules I will definitely be voting for an independent if he gets the nomination, because it will mean the republican party has fallen to the liberals.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:07:58 PM PDT
by
calex59
To: malibu2008
Catholics who advocate that the death penalty can be a just punishment are not really Catholic?
To: malibu2008
he tacks along being a (2) death penalty advocate This one's not inconsistent with Catholic teaching. The Vatican City itself had the death penalty on the books until 1969, so it's unlikely that all the popes and cardinals up to that point weren't Catholic . . .
I agree that Rudy is trying to square the circle with his absurd position on abortion. If killing children is wrong, then it's goofy to assert someone has a right to "choose" it. If I choose bank-robbery, is Rudy going to back me up?
The brilliant thing about Catholic theology is that it doesn't let you play Three-Card Monte with morality. If you're doing wrong, it just crushes you with the leverage of logic. (See Thomas Aquinas.) Everything has been thought through, and human nature doesn't change.
To: malibu2008; Admin Moderator
abortion certainly distinguishes the former mayor from the rest of the GOP candidates - for sure. Wait a minute. Did the Pope say that? Because the way your post is formatted you have attributed these comments to Pope Benedict.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:09:29 PM PDT
by
ElkGroveDan
(When toilet paper is a luxury, you have achieved communism.)
To: PeteB570
Another play by my rules or Ill take my ball and go home post.
Wow. You've actually got a problem with someone calling out a phony-baloney politician who is pretending to be something he clearly is not? Are you sure you're on the right website?
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:10:12 PM PDT
by
Antoninus
(P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
To: Sun
he is pro-abortion, including partial-birth infanticide. Now people are just makin' stuff up.
We've had a pro-life President for seven years now. Abortion must be illegal now, huh? What? You mean it isn't?
Why is this an issue that matters then?
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:10:51 PM PDT
by
Ramius
(Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
To: TBP
Excerpt from 2004 letter to Cardinal McCarrick:
Worthiness to Receive Holy Communion
General Principles
by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger
3. Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.
To: bnelson44
Unless you are his bishop or the pope you cant say that.
Uh, the Pope did say it, just not in so many words.
Look up the phrase latae sententiae and get back to us, will you?
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:11:34 PM PDT
by
Antoninus
(P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
To: TexasCajun
Rudy will probably come out and say it is the Pope that is NOT Catholic enough, He'd make a better Pope. And Hannity would agree with him.
LOL! Post of the day!
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:12:44 PM PDT
by
Antoninus
(P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
To: SamuraiScot
If killing children is wrong, then it's goofy to assert someone has a right to "choose" it. If I choose bank-robbery, is Rudy going to back me up?
Yes and no. It's more subtle than that. I believe that gambling is wrong, but I understand that others disagree and that it should be up to the individual to decide if he wants to gamble.
To: malibu2008
You NOT supposed to alter the Headline. You're new so maybe you don't know that. It's a copyright thing and can bring legal trouble.
You should hit the abuse button on yourself and and the Mods to correct the Headline.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:13:04 PM PDT
by
Condor51
(Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
To: DManA
Rudy is irrelevant to me.
I don’t keep up with his marriages or whether they are annulled or not. I put him in the category of the Clinton's.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:14:32 PM PDT
by
nmh
(Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
To: malibu2008
Very misleading title.
Excommunication is the most serious ecclesiastical penalty levied against a member of the Roman Catholic Church. It is a seldom used punishment to discipline unrelenting defiance or other serious violations of church rules, especially by those who are accused of "spreading division and confusion among the faithful" -- meaning, in practice, that the option of excommunication is more likely to be enforced when the disobedient Catholic is a visible and presumably influential public figure (such as a politician), but only rarely in the cases of non-public figures. Excommunication is never a merely "vindictive penalty" (designed solely to punish), but is always a "medicinal penalty" intended to pressure the person into changing their behavior or statements, repent and return to full communion. Last I knew, the Pope had not excommunicated Giuliani (or any other politician I am aware of) therefore Giuliani is still a Catholic.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:14:49 PM PDT
by
Ben Mugged
(Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
To: HaveHadEnough
The Catholic Catechism provides for the death penalty in certain circumstances, so, yes, Catholics who are pro-death penalty are really Catholic. That same Catechism proscribes abortion.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:17:21 PM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: Antoninus
To: Ben Mugged
...Giuliani is still a Catholic.Read the reference in Antoninus's #28.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:23:34 PM PDT
by
pgyanke
(RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
To: Ben Mugged
the excommunication is
latae sententiae which means it is automatic, and hence there is no need for an
official decree
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:24:10 PM PDT
by
xsmommy
To: Antoninus
Lets see. Agenda driven posters who have to have their candidate at the top and trash everybody else or people who will work for their candidate and then support the party at election time.
Let me think on that a while.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:24:27 PM PDT
by
PeteB570
(I vote, each and every single cotton picking time.)
To: malibu2008
I understand your intent, but the title is not credible. The content of the post does not support the premise.
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:24:28 PM PDT
by
jedward
(Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
To: TBP
He plays one on TV.Keyboard cleanup aile 3!!!
LOL!!!
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posted on
05/16/2007 2:25:05 PM PDT
by
Caipirabob
(Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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