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Smoking ban proves Legislature can get things done
Post Bulletin ^ | 5/17/07 | Editorial:

Posted on 05/17/2007 4:47:06 PM PDT by Wheee The People

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To: Eric Blair 2084

I just got finished browsing your freeper page. I see you are a Naval Academy grad. I have a nephew there finishing his second year now. I have another nephew grunting in the Marines, now deployed to Iraq.

On the smoking issue, let me refine my statement a bit. I don’t disagree that the non-smokers you describe hope to change behavior so that there are no non-smokers left. Actually I don’t disagree with their goal, only some of their attempted means to reach it. But I disagree that health is their major concern. I respectfully suggest that their true motivation in seeking an end to “smoking in our time” is to avoid being exposed to cigarette smoke themselves. (There may be also a desire simply to control others’ behavior, but I don’ think that is true for all anti-smokers. If it were a pure health issue I would think that more dangerous behaviors (e.g., drinking, drinking and driving) would have been targeted first.

In any event, as a non-smoker, I oppose the restrictions they seek, even though my life would be marginally more comfortable if they were successful.


161 posted on 05/20/2007 1:10:56 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

I didn’t graduate from the Naval Academy. I don’t have that kind of discipline :-) You’re missing the joke.

The point was that if our government agencies can lie and make up stuff about SHS or any number of other things, why can’t we. I also didn’t win a Nobel Prize.


162 posted on 05/20/2007 1:20:29 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

What?! No Naval Academy? No Nobel Prize? (I missed that part) Why should I believe you at all? (j/k).

Take care.


163 posted on 05/20/2007 1:37:18 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: NCLaw441

In a way FRiend, you put my mind at ease a little bit. I knew it was impossible for somebody to read the entire page from the anti-tobacco playbook and not see how “mandate clean indoor air” wasn’t in fact designed to reduce smoking rates by kicking smokers out of their favorite establishments and coercing them to quit.

Now I know that you do what I and everyone else does far too often. Read a little bit of something and then draw conclusions based on my preconceived notions.

We’re only human. Seriously, think about what you read in the ASSIST Study from 93 and get back to me some other time.

Peace.


164 posted on 05/20/2007 1:44:58 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: NCLaw441

BTW I also didn’t serve as a Rear Admiral in Vietnam. I was only 7 years old when the war ended. And I’ve never met Al Gore and I didn’t invent the internet with him. :-)

Take Care.


165 posted on 05/20/2007 1:47:34 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Wheee The People

Appalud the erosion of liberty, by favoring one class over another? SHS smoke is a myth, the studies were rigged, and the numbers fudged. Running rough-shod over one group of people to promote a special consideration for another group will come back to bite you. Smokers are people too, and we’re getting tired of being treated this way.

You’re no conservative!


166 posted on 05/20/2007 1:55:30 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Anti-Smokers are stealing liberty from under peoples' noses.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I have no problem reducing smoking rates. Zero. In fact I hope smoking is reduced significantly and smokers are marginalized. Just like I want to see abortions, illiteracy, gay marriage, welfare and other blights on our society reduced. Sue me and other social conservatives.


167 posted on 05/20/2007 6:55:50 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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To: Wheee The People

You’re not a “social conservative,” your’re a “social control-freak.” Jesus Christ never, never, never wanted to control people the way you do, but the NAZIs, etc., did. I’m hoping that you won’t have to learn this lesson the hard way. May HE have pity on your sad soul. Oh, by the way, remember that you can’t vote for Fred, because he smokes cigars.


168 posted on 05/21/2007 6:39:12 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Wheee The People

Oh, and I also saw your hero, Fred, in the movie “Hunt for Red October” smoking a cigarette! You should watch it — it’s one of my favorite movies.


169 posted on 05/21/2007 6:48:09 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Wheee The People

There is a HUGE difference between a private corporation choosing to ban smoking at thier facilities, and the government forcing a smoking ban on private companies.

Too bad you can’t see that.


170 posted on 05/21/2007 9:17:31 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Wheee The People

BTW, I applaud Disney for thier decision, because I am a non-smoker. But I decry the government for theirs because I am a proponent of small government.


171 posted on 05/21/2007 9:19:38 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Wheee The People

Social conservative applaud telling private business owners they can not allow a legal activity on their premises?


172 posted on 05/21/2007 9:22:14 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak....)
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To: Wheee The People

Oh, and another thing, Wheee, I’m backing Mitt Romney; he doesn’t smoke (unlike your hero Fred Thompson) nor does he view people/society the way that you do — he respects everyone and respects freedom, and it shows. He’s a happy and successful person because he sees the good in society, not the bad as you do.


175 posted on 05/21/2007 10:14:40 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Wheee The People

Mitt Romney: Devout Mormon who doesn't drink or smoke

Fred Thompson: Smelly smoker


176 posted on 05/21/2007 2:26:06 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Wheee The People

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is. Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path".

--Ronald Reagan

"Government is not the solution to the problem, Government is the problem." --Ronald Reagan

"The Government that is big enough to give you everything you need, is also big enough to take away everything you have." -- Barry Goldwater

"Whatever...The social conservative wing of the Republican party is a major branch of the right and indeed some of the views are at odds with the libertarian wing. However, it’s clear conservative voters go to the polls and vote for smoking bans.-- Wheee The Sheeple

Congratulations WheeWhee you are the first inductee into the Stupid Jackass Orators of the Republican Party Hall of Shame on the bottom of my homepage.


177 posted on 05/21/2007 2:44:53 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: GOP_Lady; Wheee The People
But, Wheeee, your hero, Fred Thompson, smokes cigars and you plan on voting for him. I see you as hypocritcal in two ways: (1) How can you vote for someone who smokes if you “vote to improve society?” and (2) how can your hero, Fred Thompson (and Rush Limbaugh) as well be conservatives and not support smoking bans? Consistency IS a virtue.

Our First Lady smokes as well.  Do you hate her too???

178 posted on 05/21/2007 4:26:03 PM PDT by SheLion (When you're right, take up the fight!!!!!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Wheee, please vote for me -- I detest smoking just like you!

180 posted on 05/22/2007 6:23:41 AM PDT by GOP_Lady
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