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Why are they lying about Ron Paul?
SmallGovTimes.com ^ | May 18th, 2007 | Cliff Kincaid, SmallGovTimes.com

Posted on 05/18/2007 8:12:39 AM PDT by sdnet

In a desperate attempt to make Rudy Giuliani out to be the hero of Tuesday night’s debate, Fox News is continuing to attack Texas Congressman Ron Paul for something he did not say. In the latest installment of this campaign, John Gibson of Fox News says that Paul “suggested that the U.S. actually had a hand in the [9/11] terrorist attacks.” No, what he said was that U.S. foreign policy was a reason why Osama bin Laden attacked America. This is a fact.

Gibson’s comment shows how Fox News has been eager to slant the news in favor of Giuliani, who claimed in his famous response to Paul that the congressman had said that the U.S. “invited” the 9/11 attacks. That was false, too.

Some would say that Ron Paul’s foreign policy views, in this day and age, are somewhat naïve. But Giuliani’s assault, assisted by Fox News, which co-sponsored the debate, goes so far over the line that an honest media watchdog has to say something. Gibson, trying to make Paul’s comments about 9/11 into “The Big Outrage,” claimed that he was a member of the 9/11 truth movement, the group that claims the terrorist attacks were orchestrated by some kind of secret cabal of U.S. officials. He compared Paul to Rosie O’Donnell, who suggested 9/11 was an inside job.

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1 posted on 05/18/2007 8:12:46 AM PDT by sdnet
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To: sdnet

I think they are trying to protect Giuliani for saying something that was really, really ignorant.


2 posted on 05/18/2007 8:14:34 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: sdnet

The Paul junkies are getting old.


3 posted on 05/18/2007 8:14:47 AM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: chesty_puller

Then don’t click on the thread.


4 posted on 05/18/2007 8:15:14 AM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: sdnet

Maybe all the Ron Paul groupies can jam the Internet polls on Election Night 2008, and then they can all pretend he really got elected President.

Because that is as good as it’s gonna get for the (fart in a) Texas Whirlwind.


5 posted on 05/18/2007 8:16:12 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: sdnet

U.S. foreign policy was a reason why Osama bin Laden attacked America.

This is a fact.

Indeed.


6 posted on 05/18/2007 8:17:49 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: sdnet

typical crap. They don’t get what’s obvious to us - making excuses for the terrorists that include anything caused by the US is the same thing.


7 posted on 05/18/2007 8:18:21 AM PDT by RDTF (R.I.P. Blue Angel LCDR Kevin Davis)
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To: Xenalyte
Then don’t click on the thread.

I want to remember who you people are.

8 posted on 05/18/2007 8:18:58 AM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: mkjessup

So go for Obama, Guiliani, Clinton or McCain because they’re all alike.


9 posted on 05/18/2007 8:19:19 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: RDTF

An explanation, which Dr. Paul gave, is not a justification, which you interpret it as.


10 posted on 05/18/2007 8:19:19 AM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: chesty_puller

I see.

Just so you kow, “you people” who demonstrably don’t give a damn about the Constitution bear watching as well.


11 posted on 05/18/2007 8:19:59 AM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: from occupied ga
So go for Obama, Guiliani, Clinton or McCain because they’re all alike.

'BZZZZZT'

Wrong answer.

Correct answer:

Congressman Duncan Hunter.
12 posted on 05/18/2007 8:21:39 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: WhiteGuy

I don’t care if we are in this because George Bush went over and peed on the first lady of Saudi Arabia on the front porch of her house. We are in this now and had damn well better win and win now. Equivocating now is less than useless, it’s stupid.


13 posted on 05/18/2007 8:21:42 AM PDT by twonie ( watch this space)
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To: WhiteGuy
U.S. foreign policy was a reason why Osama bin Laden attacked America.

This is a fact.

Indeed.

Katherine Hepburn showing her ankle in The African Queen was a reason Osama bin Laden attacked America.

Children flying kites was a reason Osama bin Laden attacked America.

Richard de Couer Leon forcing Saladin into a peace treaty and allowing Christian pilgrims the right to travel unimpeded was a reason Osama bin Laden attacked America.

14 posted on 05/18/2007 8:22:27 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: mkjessup
A lot of these guys (talk show and news pundits) have a horse in the race already. Hugh Hewitt is a Mitt Romney supporter, Gibson appears to be for Rudy, etc.

As far as I know Ron Paul hasn't picked up any talk show support yet. He's toast in part because he is not appreciated by EITHER the MSM or the alternate media. I agree Paul did not sign up with the Bush-knew conspiracy theorists. Anyone who saw the debate knows that. What he did say though, was a variation on the Noam Chomsy "Imperialist America's overseas adventures come home to roost" theme. Most conservatives don't agree with that school of political thought, so it is no surprise that he is being savaged for his comments. Most of the people who agree with that way of thinking are on the far left (or "Moonbat Left, to use FR parlance) of the Democratic Party: Zinn, Chomsky, Sheehan, Kucinich, the late Paul Wellstone, all would basically agree with his debate comments. No mystery here. Republicans are isolationists (since Lindberg, at least).

15 posted on 05/18/2007 8:22:56 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: mkjessup

Hunter would be OK.


16 posted on 05/18/2007 8:23:02 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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Last line should read “Republicans are NOT isolationists, at least since Lindberg” .


17 posted on 05/18/2007 8:23:33 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: chesty_puller
Don't let the Ron Pauli girls get to you.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

18 posted on 05/18/2007 8:24:20 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: sdnet

Sorry, I watched the debate. Congressman Paul’s came off as the republican version of that demented dwarf of a Dem, Denis Kucinich.

I want a conservative with a respect for the Constitution, I don’t want stuck in the 1930’s.

Isolationism and America First failed Dec 7 1941.


19 posted on 05/18/2007 8:26:31 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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To: LonePalm

Yeah... can’t have anyone thinking the Constitution or History mean a damn thing. That might be principled or something and we can’t have that... (/sarc)


20 posted on 05/18/2007 8:28:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: sdnet

Little Ronnie stepped on a fresh one and no amount of whining by his partisans can get it off of his shoe. He said something really stupid that echos the wingnut lefties statements.


21 posted on 05/18/2007 8:29:20 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: Jim Verdolini
Er... yeah...

Ron Paul's first instinct was 'isolationism'.

Did you people forget that Google is still up and running? Check your facts.

22 posted on 05/18/2007 8:29:31 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: WhiteGuy

Yes,

And no reason to change our foreign policy..unless we collectively decide we like being attacked.


23 posted on 05/18/2007 8:29:42 AM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Xenalyte
you people” who demonstrably don’t give a damn about the Constitution

Accusing a man who acually fought for this nation of not caring about the Constitution is a little low, even for the Ron Paul cowards.

24 posted on 05/18/2007 8:29:43 AM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71 US Army 75-79 3d Inf Old Guard)
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To: sdnet

Jamming web sites with Paul articles is not going to move the blip to REPUB major candidate status.

If he wants on a Nov. ticket he should be trying for the Libertarian Party line. They might buy into his stuff...or not.


25 posted on 05/18/2007 8:29:54 AM PDT by rod1 (uake)
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To: twonie

Right now I can’t think of a damn thing good about Bush.

Explain to me why the sob refuses to back a 3.5% pay raise for the troops!

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/White_House_opposes_military_pay_raise_0517.html


26 posted on 05/18/2007 8:30:00 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: sdnet; y'all

The Ron Paul Smear Campaign

Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/1835505/posts


27 posted on 05/18/2007 8:30:21 AM PDT by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia)
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To: Xenalyte

I’ll click on the thread. I do not trust Ron Paul to defend my country. It is that simple.


28 posted on 05/18/2007 8:30:25 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: sdnet
ITS SIMPLE FOLKS!!!

The left lies about it and those liberals in the GO LIE about it because Ron Paul, like him or not, is highly regarded by conservatives and will drive the conversation as such and demand that others talk a REAL conservative talk and not simply mouth it.

The GOP wants him barred from the remaining debates. Thats a cop out and simply being said so that the candidates do not have to actually address things from our conservative view point.

29 posted on 05/18/2007 8:31:13 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: chesty_puller; Xenalyte

Well, if you think Bush care about the Constitution, you have got another think coming!

Yes, I am a Nam vet.


30 posted on 05/18/2007 8:31:51 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.)
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To: sdnet

31 posted on 05/18/2007 8:32:02 AM PDT by drpix
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To: sdnet

They don’t have to lie about Ron Paul. All people have to do is review his insane rantings at the debate, and they know he’s not fit for running the asylum, let alone the country. His demeanor said as much about him as what he said.


32 posted on 05/18/2007 8:32:57 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: chesty_puller
If Ron Paul's Second Amendment Restoration Act had been passed, would 9-11 have been possible for the terrorists to pull off? Yes or No.

So no, you not only don't give a damn about the Constitution, you are actively attacking one of maybe 6 people in Congress who still give a sh*t about it.

Nice going Ace...

33 posted on 05/18/2007 8:33:03 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: drpix

Sh*tty photoshop.


34 posted on 05/18/2007 8:33:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: B4Ranch

Posting from Raw Story does not help your credibility or that of your claim because it is a dummie (liberal) site that gets its facts more wrong than right.


35 posted on 05/18/2007 8:33:34 AM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Jack Black
Republicans are isolationists (since Lindberg, at least).

That would be his father, Charles A., a progressive Republican more in the Roosevelt tradition. Col Lindbergh rejected both parties, considering one the same as the other.

As to isolationism, if you think Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II were isolationists, then you're using a very different definition of isolationism than Ron Paul. In fact, other than the erroneous connection between the America First Committee (which covered the landscape from Robert LaFollette to Father Coughlin) and the Republican Party, I'd be hard pressed to think of isolationist Republican Presidents. It's more the issue of folks who can't get elected.

36 posted on 05/18/2007 8:35:56 AM PDT by SJackson (Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux)
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To: All

All of you need to take a deep breath. We can argue without resorting to personal attacks. It makes us all look stupid!


37 posted on 05/18/2007 8:36:27 AM PDT by marvlus
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To: sdnet

Honest to goodness, I read Paul’s comments again yesterday, and for the life of me, it sounds like John Gibson’s take is on the money.

Remember: Paul is ON RECORD as a serious isolationist. His comments must be taken in that context.


38 posted on 05/18/2007 8:38:10 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: chesty_puller

If you read his comments a little more closely, you’ll see that he wants to watch you. Closely. Some of these people have a lot of time on their hands, lol!

Thank you for your service.


39 posted on 05/18/2007 8:38:33 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: P-40

I agree. They have to protect Rudy’s dumb statements and his avoiding straight answers to questions.


40 posted on 05/18/2007 8:42:29 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: sdnet

What Ron Paul did say is that he accepted Bin Ladin’s analysis of history, and that we should also.

And that based on Bin Ladin’s analysis of history, we should retreat from every alliance and every commitment we have that might bring us into conflict with Bin Ladin and the other muslim radicals and imperialists.

I say its a mistake to take Bin Ladin’s analysis at face value. He’s a propagandist with the need to explain to the muslim world why he failed to support his own country against Saddam, and why he repeatedly attacked the country that led the defense of his nation and expelled the invaders from his neighbor’s country.

But if you really pay attention to what he says, you’ll notice that his issue is Iraq. When he declared war on the US, his reasons are clearly our policing of Iraq skies, which were born out of our defense of still more muslims, the Kurds and the Kuwaiti border regions. He declared war on us in defense of Saddam, for those not paying attention. In the late nineties we were aware of his motivations which connected him to the defense of Saddam. We developed amnesia after 911.

He’s the one who drew first blood, as we now know, in Somalia, and he has to explain why he was attacking the country that was feeding starving muslims, and brought an end to muslim-on-muslim violence in that war-torn country.

What else can he say, but that he would, get this, be happy to defend his country if he were appointed to command of their forces. Seriously. Meanwhile, of course, he is involved in sending fighters to kill other muslims in Algeria, and he goes on to train insurgents fighting in every country from Sudan all across Central Asia to the Philippines, there isn’t a single country that doesn’t have a muslim insurgency trained in Bin Ladin’s camps. But in Ron Paul’s world, a guy that has launched warfare in at leat a dozen countries has a simple well-defined grudge against the US, that could be easily solved if we just got out of the way.

That was Japan’s motivation when they sunk our fleet in 1941. We were the only country capable of stopping them as they built their empire, and they intended to solve that problem with a knockout punch. And we were the only country capable of containing Saddam, and Bin Ladin meant to solve that problem by driving us out of the region.

We lost several hundred thousand of our finest, killed in the Second World War, and one of the lessons of that war was that if you wait until a threat is fully mature before acting, it may cost you the slaughter of an entire generation of your best people. Better to act while victory is relatively cheap.


41 posted on 05/18/2007 8:43:37 AM PDT by marron
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To: chesty_puller
"The Paul junkies are getting old."

Some of the replies of the "Paul junkies" are so over the top - right out of the box - I've got to wonder: Are they Democrat trolls or are they just smoking the same sh*t as the Michael Moore and Bill Mayer crowd?

42 posted on 05/18/2007 8:46:30 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Dead Corpse
Well, we certainly don't want Ron Paul any closer than sixth in the line of succession to be POTUS. Unforseen events do occur and any closer would be too close.

I do think he would make a good cabinet secretary though.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

43 posted on 05/18/2007 8:47:25 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: chesty_puller

Accusing a man who acually fought for this nation of not caring about the Constitution is a little low, even for the Ron Paul cowards.

Excluding the Ron Paul bit at the end, didn't John Kerry once say that?

44 posted on 05/18/2007 8:52:32 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: sdnet

The 2008 election is too important for us to waste time or money on strange minor candidates like Ron Paul who have a snowball’s chance of even getting the nomination let alone beating Mrs. Clinton. Ron Paul is a silly distraction that can drain us of energy and money that is needed elsewhere. Focus on Victory in 2008 folks !!!!!


45 posted on 05/18/2007 8:53:27 AM PDT by Martins kid
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To: Dead Corpse

Thanks for posting the link.


46 posted on 05/18/2007 8:58:56 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: sdnet

I think this whole thing was deliberately staged by Fox news, they just thought it would be funny to see a roomful of conservatives cheer on the liberal Rudy as he was allowed a cheap shot at Ron Paul. They knew that Dr Paul could never properly respond to such a question within the context of a 2 minute sound byte, but it sure made for good theater with Rudy, who they seem to be pushing for anyway.


47 posted on 05/18/2007 8:59:05 AM PDT by yuta250
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To: Dante3

They went so overboard on it though. I wonder if that was by design or by accident.


48 posted on 05/18/2007 9:00:54 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: B4Ranch

3.5% raise for the troops? Maybe he’s busy saving that money to lavish on the mexicans. I cannot remember a day when I was so disgusted and demoralized. I hope he lives to see the damage he is bringing down on the country he was sworn to defend.


49 posted on 05/18/2007 9:05:33 AM PDT by twonie ( watch this space)
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To: chesty_puller

Sauce for the gander, sir.


50 posted on 05/18/2007 9:14:13 AM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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