Is Michael Bloomberg, Hillary Clinton's Stalking Horse?

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[AmishDude]

H. Ross Bloomberg would be funnier.

[BurtSB]

WHAT. Perot PULLED in 70/30 Republican vote.
Where did you hear that crap CNN ?
Straight from the mouth of Kaplan and GALLUP

[BurtSB]

My brother in law told me about the Perot/ Clinton connection back in 1991 . He bid on the same project for Arkansas that Perot did and he said something daddy went down for Perot to get the bid . He contacted the
RNC and they said they knew and we kept waiting for the connection to be released but George did want to play hard ball . Just like his son Jorge !

[I see my hands]

"H. Ross Bloomberg would be funnier."

Would be and is! Thanks!

[penowa]

"The poll is basically saying that the GOP voters are looking for an alternative moreso than the Dems."

Giuliani isn't far enough left? They're looking for a candidate to the left of him and Hillary? Republicans are unhappy with their choices, so they want ANOTHER liberal from N.Y. to choose from?

[kcvl]

Hillary will kick his sissy butt.

[AmishDude]

Again, they don’t know ANYTHING about Bloomberg. Maybe they recognize his name from finance. In any case, a candidate can do well just by positioning him(or her)self outside of partisan politics.

But polls are silly at this point. Lots of people just don’t care.

[Williams]

Get me a link that proves it, I never saw a poll confirm that at the time.

[Williams]

I'm not disputing your report. In 92, Perot hated Bush. In 96 Perot went after Clinton big time and cost Clinton ever getting over 50%. Doubtful Perot would have done that aginst a buddy.

AndI love reading that Bush would have beat Clinton w/o Perot but I never saw a poll substaniatng that.

[BurtSB]

Try Realpolitics website in 2004 . They did a comparison when there was rumour that Mccain was doing a third party run.The Clinton/ Perot thing was a set up and Perot got lots of Medicaid claims processing contract under Bill and Hillary.
Why do you think Perot came back into the race at the end ?
George Senior was overtaking Bill in the POLLS!!!!!!!!

[Williams]

Overtaking does not equal beating. Let me see a poll that shows that in the election Bush would have beaten Clinton.

[BurtSB]

I suspect you are a DU pest.
Perot was a Clinton plant .
When Perot went away a portion of the Rep voters drifted back to Jorge Sr which caused Bill to call up Ross and tell him to get back into race.
I realize the facts are getting in the way of your spin.
The end.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Few people know that Ross Perot and Bill Clinton were friends and had several closed door meetings at the Gov. Mansion in Arkansas and in Dallas, the home of Ross Perot, prior to the 1992 election.

I've heard this story for years. I've never seen it substantiated.

Not that I think it's impossible. I've just never seen anyone reputable put their name to it.

[Williams]

OK, let's explore how sound is the basis for your conclusions.

I have been on Free Republic since 1998 and have published hundreds if not thousands of conservative, anti-democrat, anti-left posts.

You have been here since 2005, which is fine but you jump to the idiotic conclusion I am a "DU pest"

My sin is telling you that having lived through the elections in question I recall the following quite clearly:

1 all polls showed Bush Sr. losing even without Perot in the race, although I would love to believe Bush Sr. could have beat Clinton.

2 You are correct that Perot hated Bush Sr. and reentered the 1992 race bizarrely and concentrated on attacking Bush Sr.

3 You seem not to want to acknowledge that perot respected Dole in 96 and Perot viciously attacked Clinton to the end, dragging Clinton's vote total to under 50%, much to the chagrin of the Clintonites. Nonetheless that is what happened, including Perot saying Clinton would be impeached.

But you want to believe and to hear only what you want, therefore you just decided that a lifelong republican conservative is a "DU Pest".

Nor did you offer me a link to a 92 poll that verifies what you want to believe.

All of which is why your opinions matter little to me.

[Williams]

BTW I will bet that whereas I am a fan of Bush Sr as a World leader and consider him underrated (except he was a lousy politician in 96) - I’ll bet that you have no use for Bush Sr, as indicated by your calling him “Jorge Sr.” justa wild guess based on the fact no one seems willing to respect Bush Sr. because he lost reelection. Best regards.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

all polls showed Bush Sr. losing even without Perot in the race

I'm not so sure about that. Clinton won states like Ohio, Colorado, Georgia, Nevada, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, Montana, Louisiana, Maine, New Hampshire all by a whisker. And Perot's 20% cost the Republicans more than the Democrats -- the final vote totals (Democrat 43% - Republican 37% - Independent 19%) seem to show that pretty clearly..

[Williams]

You may not be so sure, and neither am I, and I am not giving you any grief as the other poster deserved.

But all of us "figuring" that Bush would have won is not the same as some polls showing that without Perot in the race, Bush would have won.

I recall that the available polls were saying That Bush was still behind. Keep in mind Bush ran a horrible campaign and I can remember marlin Fitzwater practically having a stroke trying to defend against perot's accusations.

Everyone has agreed Bush Sr ran a bad campaign, the press was totally in the Clinton tank. I'd LOVE to believe Bush would have beaten Clinton but it seems to me to be a more recent "urban myth" among conservatives.

I am not disputing that Perot hated Bush Sr. He did. it is also true that in 96 Perot attacked Clinton, probably for the best because I don't see anyone saying Dole would have beaten Clinton.

Clinton never won teh vote of a majority, for which I am glad, and Clinton was upset about it.

[american_ranger]

The demoncraps that Perot pulled in 92 were Reagan demoncraps and would probably have voted for Bush the father. The poll of Perot voters asked them if they were Repub or demon, not who they would have voted for if Perot was not running. The pollsters knew better than ask that question.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

I wasn't responding to the grief. Just the idea that Perot drew evenly from Bush and Clinton.

It's simply not true. Perot voters where middle class, white males. Typical republican voters, though not staunch conservatives. The states that decided the election, states which usually lean republican, broke narrowly for Bill Clinton. They also voted for Perot in higher percentages than the national average.

As you can see, 27% of Perot voters were self-described "conservatives", against 20% self-described "liberals" (and 53% "moderate"). 96% were white, 86% of them made more than 35K a year. The overwhelming majority of Ross Perot's support came from typically republican constituencies.

As far as what the polls said, when Perot was at his highest point in June of '92, he was getting 39% compared to 31% for Bush and 27% for Clinton. After he dropped out, he obviously lost a good chunk of his Democratic support. Perot was out of the picture, Clinton's scandals were blowing over and the party rallied around him. Perot never got those votes back. All that was left were the disenchanted Bush voters.

Which might make one wonder about the timing of Perot's exit and re-entry into the rqce.

The only question is whether those voters would have voted for Bush or just stayed home if it weren't for Perot. That's something we'll never know.

[Williams]

Gentlemen all very facinating but you are telling me not a single poll shows Bush Sr beating Clinton without Perot in the race. All of your observations are accurate we just don't have teh final conclusion. Bush was in horrible political shape and he ran an awful campaign. I'm not at all sure he could have beaten Clinton straight out. I agree we will never know.

BTW you may recall that when Perot dropped out, he claimed it was because Bush operatives were going to disrupt his daughter's wedding. That is probably why he lost half his support.