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Rudy Abandons Hypocrisy, Clarifies the Abortion Issue for Pro-life Voters
Townhall.com ^ | 5/18/07 | Marjorie Dannenfelser

Posted on 05/18/2007 5:59:32 PM PDT by wagglebee

For years Rudy Giuliani tried to finesse his position on abortion with pro-life Republican voters. In order to disguise his support for so-called abortion rights, the former New York mayor professed to hate abortion.

“I’m against abortion,” Giuliani declared in a recent campaign appearance in South Carolina. “I hate it. I wish there never was abortion, and I would counsel a woman to have an adoption instead of an abortion.”

Hoping to parse the issue in such a way that would neutralize (or confuse) pro-life Republican voters in the presidential primaries, Giuliani repeatedly professed his personal loathing for abortion while sadly acknowledging that a woman’s right to choose is the law of the land and must so remain.

This dodge finally collapsed. As Abraham Lincoln once said, “The bottom is out of the tub.” Recent revelations that in the 1990s Giuliani and his former wife gave hundreds of dollars to Planned Parenthood, the nation’s leading abortion provider, dramatically underscored the hypocrisy at the heart of Hizzoner’s position.

Reportedly, Giuliani has decided to stop the charade. According to the New York Times, Giuliani will give up his earlier strategy of posing as a personal opponent of abortion and start running as an avowedly pro-abortion candidate. He will bypass early primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina where pro-life voters predominate and focus instead on the Feb. 5th super primary in states such as New York, California, and New Jersey that allegedly would be more receptive to a pro-abortion candidate.

Yet the problem for Giuliani is that the Republican Party is the pro-life party. It has not nominated a pro-abortion candidate since 1980. Pro-life voters turn out in large numbers in all of the primaries. If Mr. Giuliani does indeed start running as an avowed champion of abortion, then pro-life voters will be highly motivated to go to the polls in all of the early primaries to deny him the nomination.

Giuliani is not the first American politician to try and finesse a sticky moral issue. His now-abandoned position on abortion was eerily reminiscent of the position on slavery adopted by Abraham Lincoln’s political adversary Sen. Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois. Like Giuliani on abortion, Douglas professed his personal opposition to slavery. In the celebrated Lincoln-Douglas debates in 1858, the “Little Giant,” as Douglas was known, repeatedly asserted his personal revulsion for slavery, calling the institution immoral. Yet, as Lincoln pointed out, Douglas’s personal opposition to slavery, while undoubtedly sincere, was irrelevant when it came to public policy.

While Douglas hated slavery, he would do nothing to impede its expansion into the new territories, would not set his hand against the institution in the southern states where it existed, and supported the infamous Fugitive Slave Law that returned escaped bondsmen to their masters when captured on the free soil of the northern states.

For all practical purpose, Douglas’s position was pro-slavery. While his hatred for slavery was heartfelt, Douglas’s personal convictions probably were little comfort to those African-Americans held in servile bondage.

But unlike Rudy Giuliani on abortion, it is not known that Stephen Douglas ever made donations to pro-slavery causes. Douglas’s personal aversion to slavery would have made it impossible for him to contribute money to an organization devoted to the defense, promotion, and extension of slavery in the United States.

Yet this is precisely what Giuliani did by contributing to Planned Parenthood, an organization that supports the most extreme positions on the issue. Planned Parenthood opposed the federal ban on partial-birth abortion – a hideous procedure that entails the abortionist killing a baby at the very moment of birth. Planned Parenthood opposed the Born-Alive Infants’ Protection Act that banned the practice of so-called “live birth abortions,” in which allegedly “unwanted” babies born alive are left to die without therapeutic care. Planned Parenthood even opposes parental notification in cases of minor children seeking abortions.

The revelation that Rudy Giuliani contributed to Planned Parenthood was the last straw for pro-life voters, many of whom already had penetrated the smokescreen about his personal beliefs. Donations to Planned Parenthood could not be explained away or dismissed by declarations of one’s personal beliefs. It is simply impossible to believe that someone who genuinely abhors abortion on deeply held moral grounds could contribute money to Planned Parenthood, the chief perpetrator of abortion in America.

Rudy Giuliani is a pro-abortion politician. That is the plain truth of the matter. The revelations of his support for Planned Parenthood made this abundantly clear and rendered his pretenses to the contrary unsustainable. So he is now ready to own up to his pro-abortion position and stop trying to finagle pro-life Republican voters into believing he is something he isn’t. As was made clear in the great slavery debates between Stephen Douglas and Abraham Lincoln, the first Republican president, moral issues cannot be finessed. One cannot be personally opposed to a moral evil and yet do nothing to ameliorate it – much less take overt actions to lend aid and comfort to the perpetrators of that evil. By abandoning his previous hypocrisy and embracing an avowedly pro-abortion position, Mr. Giuliani has clarified the choice for pro-life Republican voters.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; giulianitruthfile; guilianitruthfile; prolife; stoprudy2008
Giuliani is not the first American politician to try and finesse a sticky moral issue. His now-abandoned position on abortion was eerily reminiscent of the position on slavery adopted by Abraham Lincoln’s political adversary Sen. Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois. Like Giuliani on abortion, Douglas professed his personal opposition to slavery. In the celebrated Lincoln-Douglas debates in 1858, the “Little Giant,” as Douglas was known, repeatedly asserted his personal revulsion for slavery, calling the institution immoral. Yet, as Lincoln pointed out, Douglas’s personal opposition to slavery, while undoubtedly sincere, was irrelevant when it came to public policy.

This is a perfect comparison!

1 posted on 05/18/2007 5:59:35 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 05/18/2007 6:00:14 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

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3 posted on 05/18/2007 6:00:58 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: dirtboy; Spiff; Jim Robinson; pissant; Reagan Man; NapkinUser

This nails Rooty!


4 posted on 05/18/2007 6:01:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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5 posted on 05/18/2007 6:02:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
This nails Rooty!

A slave was 3/5ths human.

And a fetus is something less than human that we consider its viability in allowing it to be hoovered out of the womb.

Both viewpoints are ways to justify horrific acts against humans. As Herman Hesse said in the twenties, we understand less and less what it means to be human, and men are shot wholesale as a result. And now, we also abort children wholesale.

6 posted on 05/18/2007 6:06:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: wagglebee

Dump him!


7 posted on 05/18/2007 6:08:31 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: dirtboy

And the pro-abortionists who support the notion that Roe v. Wade is “settled” law because the Supreme Court made the ruling seem to want to avoid talking about such gems as the Dred Scott Decision and Plessy v. Ferguson.


8 posted on 05/18/2007 6:09:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rooty is self-destructing even faster and more dramatically than Howie Dean in 2004.


9 posted on 05/18/2007 6:11:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Plessy v. Ferguson.

It's funny how stare decisis is a bad thing with Plessy but a good thing with Roe.

10 posted on 05/18/2007 6:12:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: wagglebee

Rudy is a liberal chameleon. Forget him for America’s sake.


11 posted on 05/18/2007 6:13:16 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: wagglebee

How does one “abandon” hypocrisy?

Once you are one, it isn’t abandoned. Rooty has proved that.


12 posted on 05/18/2007 6:13:20 PM PDT by dforest (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: wagglebee
Rooty doesn't really give a rats ass about the abortion issue. He believes the Constitution grants a woman the right to kill her unborn child. Rooty is a despicable and repugnant creature. He's a liberal and has nothing in common with either Lincoln or Reagan.

On abortion Reagan wrote:

"Our nation-wide policy of abortion on demand through all nine months of pregnancy was neither voted for by our people, nor enacted by our legislators--not a single state had such unrestricted abortion before the Supreme Court decreed it to be national policy in 1973. [It was] an act of raw judicial power"...

"Make no mistake, abortion-on-demand is not a right granted by the Constitution. Nowhere do the plain words of the Constitution even hint at a "right" so sweeping as to permit abortion up to the time the child is ready to be born."

"We cannot diminish the value of one category of human life--the unborn--without diminishing the value of all human life."

"Abraham Lincoln recognized that we could not survive as a free land when some men could decide that others were not fit to be free and should therefore be slaves. Likewise, we cannot survive as a free nation when some men decide that others are not fit to live and should be abandoned to abortion or infanticide. My Administration is dedicated to the preservation of America as a free land, and there is no cause more important for preserving that freedom than affirming the transcendent right to life of all human beings, the right without which no other rights have any meaning."

~~~ President Ronald Reagan, Abortion and the Conscience of the Nation, 1983

13 posted on 05/18/2007 6:14:25 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: wagglebee
It has not nominated a pro-abortion candidate since 1980.

What?

14 posted on 05/18/2007 6:14:31 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Oops, Reagan was in ‘80.


15 posted on 05/18/2007 6:15:30 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Reagan Man
Rooty doesn't really give a rats ass about the abortion issue.

Actually, with all due respect, that is not correct. I'd have a bit easier time with Rudy if he was indifferent to the issue.

But he's not. He was militant pro-abort as mayor. If you are truly against abortion, you don't address NARAL. Twice. You don't get perfect ratings from NARAL and Planned Parenthood, something Dingy Harry Reid has not accomplished.

The problem is, Rudy is beyond pro-choice. He even thinks Margaret Sanger is worthy of praise.

16 posted on 05/18/2007 6:18:05 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: FreeReign; Jim Robinson

Obviously, the author made a mistake and should have said 1976. However, we are not permitted to alter the contents of the article.


17 posted on 05/18/2007 6:20:19 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Now question him on gun control and continue to watch his campaign gain speed circling the drain.


18 posted on 05/18/2007 6:27:37 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: wagglebee

It is a perfect comparison. While Rudy may have attempted to finesse the issue, was there ever any real doubt about his pro-choice position?


19 posted on 05/18/2007 6:34:01 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag! Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: wagglebee

Why does the Republican Party keep moving left when the base shows them that it wants them to move right? If he ran as a dem he’d be right there with hillary and kerry.


20 posted on 05/18/2007 6:40:21 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: wagglebee

You’re not allowed to question him though. He can beat Hillary.


21 posted on 05/18/2007 6:54:30 PM PDT by mhx
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To: wagglebee

Every baby killing politician says the same thing, that they are personally opposed to it but they support a womans right to choose. It was bull shit when the first pol utered it and it still is.

I have 4 grown children, 12 grand children and 1.5 great grand children, I’ve held every one of them shortly after their birth ( Except for the one that’s on the way) I’ve prayed for every single one of them since before they were born. They are all precious, every single life is precious.

Any politician that believes otherwise will never get my vote or support. and that includes Rudy if he gets the nomination. The lesser of two evils is still evil.


22 posted on 05/18/2007 6:54:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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You’re not allowed to question him though. He can beat Hillary.

Of course, he was too scared to actually challenge her in 2000 and 2006.

23 posted on 05/18/2007 7:00:23 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

You Rudybots can jump in any time now.


24 posted on 05/18/2007 7:13:06 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: wagglebee

If he “hates abortion” then why give $$$ to Planned Parenthood? Actions speak louder than words.


25 posted on 05/18/2007 7:13:40 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Thank You Prayer Warriors for Praying for Carol and me!)
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To: wagglebee
Of course, he was too scared to actually challenge her in 2000 and 2006.

Bingo! How I wish he were the Senator from NY, and not her. But he just couldn't find the stones to oppose her.

26 posted on 05/18/2007 7:17:59 PM PDT by hunter112
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To: dirtboy
Rooty doesn’t give a rats ass about the abortion issue. For the last five years or so, Rooty has been indifferent towards the abortion issue and why not. Abortion is a guaranteed right according to the SCOTUS. Its the law of the land. Only recently has his past stance on abortion come back to haunt him.

I never said the media doesn’t care what Rooty thinks about the abortion issue. I never said pro-life conservatives don’t care what Rooty thinks about the abortion issue. That is the predicament that Rooty finds himself in today. He can’t run and hide from the abortion issue.

Rooty`s past record on abortion is something he wanted to keep buried in the past. Time and time again he’s consistently struggled to spin, twist and nuance the abortion issue from every angle. And as we both know, he’s failed miserably.

Rooty would be very happy answering questions about the WOT, national security and homeland security issues. Along with his record on crime, welfare and fiscal matters while he was Mayor.

Rooty is finding out daily that the liberal media and pro-life conservatives won’t let the abortion issue die. For different reasons of course.

27 posted on 05/18/2007 7:24:31 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: dirtboy

To Rudy an unborn baby is 0/5ths human if he considers abortion settled law that should not be changed.


28 posted on 05/18/2007 7:49:05 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: wagglebee

Rudy is not even personally opposed. That creep has addressed NARAL, donated to PP, and offered to abort his grandchild. He is dedicated to preserving “choice” in America, and that is why it doesn’t take much guessing to know he’ll nominate a pro-abort to SCOTUS.


29 posted on 05/18/2007 7:54:32 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: gpapa
To Rudy an unborn baby is 0/5ths human if he considers abortion settled law that should not be changed.

A bittersweet way of stating the truth.

30 posted on 05/18/2007 7:55:10 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: wagglebee

Rudy Abandons Hypocrisy

What a great line!

31 posted on 05/18/2007 8:06:53 PM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: OldPossum
“You Rudybots can jump in any time now.”

Hello? Anybody out there?

I am waiting for the “voting ONLY ONE ISSUE” statement.

32 posted on 05/18/2007 8:39:43 PM PDT by ConfidentConservative
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To: wagglebee

Hardly clear. He’s still tapdancing like Fred Astaire.


33 posted on 05/18/2007 9:02:43 PM PDT by pissant
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To: wagglebee
I really don't get the conflicted phony angst some on the "I hate in but am pro choice" types try to play...

You either believe with all your heart it not a human being but a chunk of meat.. so no big to get rid of it...

Or you believe it is a human being and it's state condoned murder on demand

34 posted on 05/18/2007 9:23:07 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Al-Qaidacrats =A new political party combining the anti American left and the anti Semite right)
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To: wagglebee
Pinged from Terri Dailies

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35 posted on 05/19/2007 2:54:13 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: mhx
He can beat Hillary.

From a purely political point of view, he would be the strongest candidate in the general election. An important part of the "conservative coalition" that Reagan formed are neutral on abortion. Reagan himself soft peddled his pro life views in order to create the "big tent." All of this is moot, however. From the article:

He will bypass early primaries in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina where pro-life voters predominate and focus instead on the Feb. 5th super primary in states such as New York, California, and New Jersey that allegedly would be more receptive to a pro-abortion candidate.

He does not have a prayer of getting the nomination.

Does he pray?

36 posted on 05/19/2007 7:03:26 AM PDT by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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