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The inside story-McCain-Cornyn
Power Line News ^ | May 20, 2007 | Scott

Posted on 05/20/2007 3:07:20 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

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Title change because of profanity. Read the whole article for more, including this snippet: "WHAT ABOUT THE SUBSTANCE of Senator Cornyn’s argument? It provides a revealing window into the process, and a lens for viewing the compromise on offer in the Senate bill.
1 posted on 05/20/2007 3:07:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39

LOL! Beat me by 30 seconds:)

McCain is becoming a caricature.


2 posted on 05/20/2007 3:08:22 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: SE Mom; Bahbah; Politicalmom; Admin Moderator

Ping
Moderator, title change allowed in this circumstance?


3 posted on 05/20/2007 3:08:58 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: SE Mom

Did you post it too?


4 posted on 05/20/2007 3:09:38 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’ve mentioned about ten things about McCain recently that disqualify him from being president. But the most important reason is that he is a maniac. I would never trust him with his finger on the nuclear football.

This latest incident is absolutely typical. He simply cannot be trusted to control himself. He not only is the Manchurian Candidate, he is General Jack D. Ripper.


5 posted on 05/20/2007 3:10:52 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: greyfoxx39
So the bill does NOT end catch-and-release because McCain was more worried about making the press conference than the substance of the bill?!?!?! Do I have that right? Oh yea, now there's the serious committed guy I want to see as president!
6 posted on 05/20/2007 3:13:05 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: justanotherfreeper

I think it’s a pretty illuminating article.


7 posted on 05/20/2007 3:14:37 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: greyfoxx39

Yes, it is fine as is. Thank you for letting us know.


8 posted on 05/20/2007 3:14:52 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: greyfoxx39

No I didn’t- I started to- then went to double check keywords..found it was up already and didn’t post!


9 posted on 05/20/2007 3:21:34 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks.


10 posted on 05/20/2007 3:23:17 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: Cicero

This hints at somethings that are never discussed. There must be armies of predators who live off of the misery of this broken immigration system. Lots of immmigration attorneys making a bundle off of people who care about the price of tortillas. The hearings and appeals can drag on for years. It is not really comprehensive immigration reform unless the fix the whole thing, and I see no evidence of that. Simple analyses that pit biz against Dem desire for voters misses the pressure of the lawyers and other activists.


11 posted on 05/20/2007 3:23:58 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: greyfoxx39
“Why don’t you just leave the room?” Is that any way for an esteemed senator to speak to another esteemed senator? It sounds like it was McCain’s role to bulldoze Cornyn for Kennedy. I wish I were to learn what the payback might be for that bitch slapping.
12 posted on 05/20/2007 3:25:05 PM PDT by Thebaddog (My dogs are tired)
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To: justanotherfreeper

This sort of thing is the exact reason why Senators do not get elected President.

They could not even bring themselves to end catch and release, and now we are supposed to take them seriously?


13 posted on 05/20/2007 3:27:16 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Thebaddog

This outrageous behavior by McCain could very well result in Kyl backing out of this compromise, if so, I predict it will be DOA in the Senate


14 posted on 05/20/2007 3:31:18 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: greyfoxx39

Cornyn should have “Cold Cocked” him on the spot!
In Texas those are “Fighting” words!


15 posted on 05/20/2007 3:31:21 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: greyfoxx39
I have to admit, this makes me feel really good.  John McCain is unfit for the office of the presidency, and this just supports my opinion over the past eight years.  I have avoided attacks on the candidates as much as possible, but McCain is truly an exception in his being out of touch with reality and with voters.  No wonder the media would like to see him nominated to represent Republicans.
16 posted on 05/20/2007 3:33:01 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: brydic1

bttt


17 posted on 05/20/2007 3:34:21 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: greyfoxx39

18 posted on 05/20/2007 3:36:30 PM PDT by Gritty (Bipartisan mode when the public is diametrically opposed looks more like a one-party state -Mk Steyn)
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To: SE Mom

Great minds, eh?


19 posted on 05/20/2007 3:37:10 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: padre35
This sort of thing is the exact reason why Senators do not get elected President.

Yea, sounds like the same crap we got from the last two governors who were elected President.

20 posted on 05/20/2007 3:38:08 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Gritty

Great graphic..may I steal it?


21 posted on 05/20/2007 3:38:13 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: greyfoxx39

It’s not so much that McCain lost his temper- I expect many of us might in the midst of heated debates.

It’s the REASON he lost it..the pettiness of his argument and unwillingness to listen to his colleagues. The word arrogance is overused..but is just fits him to a T.


22 posted on 05/20/2007 3:38:35 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet -Fred'08)
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To: greyfoxx39

Is this McCain’s “Dean SCREAM” moment for his campaign; WE will see, but if it were up to me ALL the grass-roots, and activists, and Republicans, and conservative leaning people I know were told about this.. I don’t how McCain (Vain) intends to be POTUS when he can’t even be a gentleman in a debate/Senate Conference.. I will NOT ever vote for him, neither for Rudy Guiliani (though at least he’s honest about his views ;)), I can’t say the same for McCain, Romney, or some of the rest. McCain: You have dooped me for the last time!! (I now see how you work).


23 posted on 05/20/2007 3:39:07 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Anyone got a picture of Howard’s “dean SCREAM”, it would be nice to grphically compare him to McCain in a “heated moment!”?


24 posted on 05/20/2007 3:41:08 PM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for the article.

Pretty much John Hermann McGoring is toast. Not only is he blatantly anti-American with this legislaion,,,but a maniacal hothead as well


25 posted on 05/20/2007 3:44:37 PM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Republicans: Democrats With Jobs)
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To: TigersEye

ping


26 posted on 05/20/2007 3:47:28 PM PDT by freespirited
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To: JSDude1
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket

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27 posted on 05/20/2007 3:51:11 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: greyfoxx39

The dems want McPain to be the Republican candidate. They know that he’s severly damaged goods to a large part of the base. They know he will be beaten.


28 posted on 05/20/2007 3:52:19 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Thebaddog
"Why don’t you just leave the room?"

If I were a GOP candidate, I'd toss that line back at McCain during one of the upcoming debates.

29 posted on 05/20/2007 3:56:19 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (NBC News - the preferred network of assassins and terrorists.)
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To: Gritty; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

Get ready, ‘cause they’re a-comin’.
And who knows what’s comin’ with ‘em?


30 posted on 05/20/2007 4:03:23 PM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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To: greyfoxx39

Senator McCain has been largely missing from the Senate since late March, when it became apparent his fundraising operation was seriously lagging. Senator McCain hasn’t made a Senate vote in the past five weeks. But he wanted to be front and center when the immigration bargain was announced, and Kennedy and Specter did everything they could to accommodate him. They reserved the Senate press gallery room for 1:30 p.m. Thursday, just in time for Senator McCain to attend before heading out to New York for more fundraising.

Snip:

As the clock moved closer to 1:30 p.m., Senator McCain suddenly lost it. "This is chickenshit," he told Senator Cornyn. "I think it would expedite things if you would just leave the room, Senator, so we can get along with finishing this up." Senator Cornyn responded: "Wait a minute. We’ve been meeting for three months on this in good faith, and now you parachute in here this morning and tell me to leave? I think you’re out of line."

Senator McCain responded: "F*** you! I know what is going on here. I know more about immigration than anybody in this room!” Other Senators moved in to calm things down, and the talks went on.

Snip:

At 1:30 p.m. sharp, the conferees (not including Senators Cornyn or Menendez and a few other negotiators) were in the press gallery, congratulating each other. Senator Kennedy recognized Senator McCain early to make his televised comments, then Senator McCain departed before the press conference was over for a flight to New York City. Later that afternoon, he missed yet another Senate vote -– this one on the Democrats' $2.9 trillion budget plan, an outline for the largest tax increase in U.S. history.


31 posted on 05/20/2007 4:04:46 PM PDT by Popman (New American Dream: Move to Mexican, cross the border, become an illegal. free everything)
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To: Popman

They have at least two:

McCalown and Julie Annie


32 posted on 05/20/2007 4:09:18 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Maybe the Cornyn-Kyl Bill needs to be resurrected ... on the floor of the Senate and on the Internet.


33 posted on 05/20/2007 4:09:43 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: greyfoxx39
"Senator Cornyn responded: "Wait a minute. We’ve been meeting for three months on this in good faith, and now you parachute in here this morning and tell me to leave?

Good for you John Cornyn!

You've got more b@lls than I suspected!

34 posted on 05/20/2007 4:13:23 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD -"What would Jack Bauer do?")
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To: greyfoxx39
Great graphic..may I steal it?

Be my guest. I stole it.

35 posted on 05/20/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by Gritty (Great news! Being illegal is now perfectly legal! - Mark Steyn)
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To: greyfoxx39

I wish Bush, Chertoff, Martinez, Gonzales, Specter and Kennedy would go somewhere VERY hot - like Mexico - and STAY there!!!


36 posted on 05/20/2007 4:20:43 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: HiJinx
Enforce existing laws!

We haven't the time nor the patience to read BS.

37 posted on 05/20/2007 4:25:31 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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Has anybody counted votes yet? Does this abomination have a chance of being voted on tomorrow?


38 posted on 05/20/2007 4:27:32 PM PDT by clintonh8r (..taking down my picture of "President" Bush, Mrs. clintonh8r and me.)
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To: greyfoxx39
I just sent the following e-mail to each of my Tennessee Senators about Monday's proposed cloture vote on this abomination: Dear Senator Alexander:

Please vote to OPPOSE CLOTURE ON THE IMMIGRATION BILL, which is scheduled, according to Fox News, to be voted on tomorrow, Monday, May 21.

This horrible bill was agreed to, essentially in the dark of night, by administration representatives, a few "Republicans," and Teddy (The Hero of Chappaquiddick) Kennedy. It was done without any of the normal committee hearings, mark-ups, and Senate procedures, all of which are carefully designed to assure that vital legislation, like this, which will fundamentally effect the very nature of the United States for generations, will be fully and carefully considered by the Senate before it is sent to the House.

A cloture vote, which effectively ends any Senate debate, ought to be taken at the end of any debate, definitely NOT BEFORE THE SENATE HAS EVEN BEEN GIVEN GIVEN THE MINIMAL COURTESY OF GETTING A COMPLETE COPY OF THE BILL IT'S SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON, AND DEBATE THAT BILL.

Kennedy, the administration's persons, and its Senate sponsors are trying to railroad this abomination through the Senate because they KNOW IT CAN'T STAND PUBLIC DEBATE AND EXPOSURE.

That fact alone is why you MUST VOTE TO OPPOSE CLOTURE.

Sincerely yours,

Please feel free to use it with you SEnate critters as you deem appropriate.

39 posted on 05/20/2007 4:32:58 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: greyfoxx39
The bigger "F**k you!"
By Michelle Malkin
May 19, 2007 10:30 PM

"When it comes to "F**k yous!," no obscene utterance compares to the George W. Bush-backed, RNC-backed, Kennedy-conspired, fantasy-based amnesty profanity unleashed on conservatives and the country."

David Frum;s Diary
Saturday, May 19, 2007
Immigration Thoughts
http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGJlMjg4ZDcwZjY2NmZiYjZlOWNlZjFhNTA3MGI2YmM=

"With the immigration * compromise * in the Senate, President Bush and the Senators have detonated the slow-motion trigger on a Republican debacle in 2008."

The 700-Plus Page "Destroy the Republican Party" Immigration Bill
May 18, 2007
Rush Limbaugh
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051807/content/01125106.guest.html

"Democrats would love for this thing to get passed and create their new welfare state -- and then the anger in the country over it be directed at the Republicans. The key to this is, there's a Republican president that's going to sign it!"

10 Key Myths About the Amnesty Agreement
By Bluey
Redstate.org
http://www.redstate.com/stories/featured_stories/response_to_white_house_myth_fact_on_immigration_bill

The White House released a "Myth/Fact" document about the immigration bill last week. But instead of setting the record straight, it perpetuated more myths. What follows are 10 myths the White House is telling us about the amnesty agreement.

Powerline
Paul Mirengoff

"Any Republican candidate who is on board with the projected deal should receive no consideration from conservatives as a presidential nominee."

Right Revolt
Conservatives won’t stand for the Bush-Kennedy immigration deal.
By Kathryn Jean Lopez
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDEyMDU5NDVhNzAzOTRmODQ0OGVkZjEzOTk4ZDc5ZTA=

"That conservatives would be upset with the immigration deal was predictable. But the degree of the indignation has been remarkable."

40 posted on 05/20/2007 4:34:45 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

Thanks Angkor, good post.


41 posted on 05/20/2007 4:36:00 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: angkor
"That conservatives would be upset with the immigration deal was predictable. But the degree of the indignation has been remarkable."

What friggin' planet has this biotch been living on? The degree of indignation was quite predictable.

42 posted on 05/20/2007 4:39:28 PM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Thanks for asking.

That other thread is looney tunes.


43 posted on 05/20/2007 4:39:56 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor

The other thread has been great up until just recently...I can’t believe the stuff going on today.


44 posted on 05/20/2007 4:43:35 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: Cicero
I’ve mentioned about ten things about McCain recently that disqualify him from being president. But the most important reason is that he is a maniac. I would never trust him with his finger on the nuclear football.

This latest incident is absolutely typical. He simply cannot be trusted to control himself. He not only is the Manchurian Candidate, he is General Jack D. Ripper.

McCain's obvious mental instability is more disqualifying than any other of the multiple, horrible, things he's done to this country and the Republican party. Indeed, it's absolutely disqualifying. We all must admit that the Witch, legitimately as we all loathe her, has a superb opposition research operation. It's simply inconceivable that, through her OR operation and purloined FBI files, she doesn't know vastly more than we do about McCain's mental instability, all of which is ready to be dumped into the ever-willing DBM the moment he (God forbid!) gets the pubbie nomination. After that, she or Obama would just walk into the White House with no effective opposition.

45 posted on 05/20/2007 4:45:38 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: greyfoxx39

I had all my posts pulled, they were way out of hand.

But they are still smacking anyone who steps out of line. And with the most illogical and bizarre assertions that I’ve seen in a while.


46 posted on 05/20/2007 4:47:08 PM PDT by angkor
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To: angkor
I had all my posts pulled, they were way out of hand.

Smart move.

47 posted on 05/20/2007 4:50:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: greyfoxx39
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Who ate my bill?

48 posted on 05/20/2007 4:53:00 PM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: greyfoxx39; SE Mom; libstripper

McCain is a very strange guy... You'd think he'd stay away from Kennedy's programs when he's running for President on the REPUBLICAN ticket...If he ends up running against Hillary, it will be a nightmare...The more I think about it, Hillary is probably going to be the next President, and Bill will be back in the White House.

49 posted on 05/20/2007 4:56:23 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: libstripper; Cicero
He not only is the Manchurian Candidate, he is General Jack D. Ripper.

I've been calling him McCrazy for a long time. He does seem to have at least one screw loose.

You know, most of the Senators are lone wolves. Despite the public comraderie, they really don't play well with others. Sure there are friendships, but for the most part it's "every man for himself." So I've been told.

So when it comes to McCrazy I sometimes imagine him going back to his fortified office, with secret locks, sandbags at the windows, and perhaps some "self protection" secreted away in his closet.

But maybe he is closer to Gen. Ripper. What better stealth than to keep your machine gun in a golf bag?

50 posted on 05/20/2007 4:56:44 PM PDT by angkor
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