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The Antiwar Right Brings the Republicans Home (Ron Paul)
The Sunday Times (London) ^ | May 20, 2007 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 05/20/2007 6:19:09 PM PDT by Captain Kirk

he idea that the party of Eisen-hower or Goldwater would have suspended habeas corpus indefinitely, as Bush has done for “enemy combatants”, would be unthinkable. The idea that they would have tried to occupy and rebuild an entire country in the Middle East is unimaginable. They were ferociously anticommunist, but also wary of direct engagement in foreign countries and deeply suspicious of all wars.

This kind of prudence and caution was once the hallmark of the middle of the country and its Midwestern American values. Paul reminded Americans of this past. He told them that the Republicans opposed the second world war, ended the Korean war and ended the Vietnam war. Why not the Iraq war? Why not indeed.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: andrewsullivan; antiwarright; lewrockwell; nutjob; paleocons; paulbearers; paulistas; ronisright; ronpaul; ronpaulcult
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To: Captain Kirk

Since when did “habeus corpus” apply to alien terrorists? I thought it applied to citizens: Brits in the UK, Americans in the US.

Traditionally, enemies who do not wear proper uniforms or fight as part of a national army have no rights under the Geneva Convention either.

I don’t know why on earth the administration fails to point out these elementary facts, so flakes like Sullivan can’t keep making these ridiculous arguments.


21 posted on 05/20/2007 6:39:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FreePaul

Ron Paul is not stupid.


22 posted on 05/20/2007 6:39:54 PM PDT by Abcdefg
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To: muawiyah

Ike didn’t particularly support the Israelis in the Suez Crisis (he was more on Nasser’s side) even though, as I said, he wasn’t dumb enough to send in American troops to get involved in the fighting. A later president would do that.


23 posted on 05/20/2007 6:40:53 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Jason_b

Could you point me to the Spanish and Australian troops that were stationed on Saudi soil? I missed that part of recent history.


24 posted on 05/20/2007 6:44:27 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Captain Kirk
Ron Paul doesn’t “bang the drum for permanent war for global democracy”, so the “war fighting” wing of the republican party will never go for him. But that’s okay, the approval rating for the Iraq war is already dismal and continues to sink. Ron Paul’s love for the U.S. Constitution is a nice change.

I was about 75% sure I was voting for Tom Tancredo. But now I’m about 60-40 split between Tancredo and Paul, with Tancredo still my personal favorite. That’s because of how amazing Ron Paul was in the republican debates. It’s nice to see someone actually have the guts to talk about getting rid of those expensive departments, namely the department of education, the department of homeland security (which really is just another high-cost bureaucracy, don’t let your support for the war on terror fool you on this) and the department of energy.

25 posted on 05/20/2007 6:47:16 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: NapkinUser
the “war fighting” wing of the republican party

Does it make me a member of the 'war fighting' wing of the Republican Party if I support the policy of killing Al Qaeda on Iraqi soil rather than on American soil?

26 posted on 05/20/2007 6:51:08 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Balding_Eagle
“Didn’t President Lincoln, practically the father of the GOP, suspend habaes corpus for a time during the Civil War?”

Lincoln also had a bunch of state legislators arrested in Maryland so they couldn’t vote on something. He did a lot of things not in line with the Constitution. Doesn’t make it right just because history smiles on him.

27 posted on 05/20/2007 6:52:18 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Cicero
Since when did “habeus corpus” apply to alien terrorists? I thought it applied to citizens: Brits in the UK, Americans in the US.

Exactly!

28 posted on 05/20/2007 6:58:00 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: FreePaul
Governor of Arkansas called out the National Guard to resist a Supreme Court decision.

Eisenhower then "activated" the NG putting them under federal command.

Shortly the whole basis of that Supreme Court decision will turn to ashes as a new group replaces the entire African-American population as the focus of political interest.

This makes the history at Little Rock concerning the School Desegregation issue totally meaningless for those of us living in this modern time.

Eisenhower's decision to order troops into Lebanon will, of course, continue to haunt us.

That, BTW, was done in an effort to keep Lebanon out of the orbit of the Ba'athist takeover in Iraq.

29 posted on 05/20/2007 7:04:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NapkinUser
Ron Paul’s love for the U.S. Constitution is a nice change.

Many Americans have no idea what it would be like to have a constitutional, real American president - one hasn't existed in so many, many years.

A president like Ron Paul could repair the damage that has been done to our country by the Bush administration and the two administrations before him. They were all birds of a feather, and America is feeling the pain now.

30 posted on 05/20/2007 7:05:52 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Captain Kirk
"he idea that the party of Eisen-hower or Goldwater would have suspended habeas corpus indefinitely, as Bush has done for “enemy combatants”, would be unthinkable."

The guy is a dolt. Suspending Habeas for enemy combatants? What planet does Sullivan live on these days?

31 posted on 05/20/2007 7:11:09 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: atomicpossum

why would anyone post anything by Andrew Sullivan?


32 posted on 05/20/2007 7:12:41 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: Captain Kirk

If you find yourself aligning with Andrew Sullivan, chances are you are in a very bad place.


33 posted on 05/20/2007 7:13:53 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Captain Kirk

One that is working very well, no less.


34 posted on 05/20/2007 7:15:13 PM PDT by pissant
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To: vbmoneyspender
What? You have a problem that .au was at the end of the link? Aussies can't report on stuff? Do I misunderstand? Perhaps you are referring to the train bombing..the spanish packed up and left, we ridiculed them relentlessly.

I only posted the article because it quoted Wolfowitz as having said in 2003 what Paul said the other night. It might matter since everyone thinks Paul is making it up. I'm just the messenger...what you make of the article is up to you.

35 posted on 05/20/2007 7:17:07 PM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Captain Kirk
The idea that they would have tried to occupy and rebuild an entire country in the Middle East is unimaginable.

That sort of Utopian idiocy used to be the property of the far left. It still is, I suppose, but some of those idiots now pretend to be 'conservative'.

36 posted on 05/20/2007 7:20:17 PM PDT by Pelham (Treason, not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Sullivan was for the war before he was against it. He may have a crush on Ron Paul. And, as a Libertarian, Ron might reciprocate.


37 posted on 05/20/2007 7:21:40 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Abcdefg

Kealhaul was under Truman.


38 posted on 05/20/2007 7:23:10 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

He sure did, and Washington hung traitors.


39 posted on 05/20/2007 7:24:28 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Ron Paul - birdbrain on foreign policy.

He must have slept through world history.


40 posted on 05/20/2007 7:25:25 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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