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Finally going somewhere in a hurry, the supertrain delayed for ten years
The Times of London ^ | 05/22/07 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 05/22/2007 5:29:05 AM PDT by iowamark

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To: Gamecock; iowamark

I never had any great desire to drink the water out of the kitchen faucet.

So I didn’t.


21 posted on 05/22/2007 10:22:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
You can get a cabin or row seats. You can walk around all you like without being too crowded. And it's fun to pass the time watching the scenery go by really fast. There are even displays at the front of the car to show you the current speed and computer kiosks where you can get a bunch of information.

Sounds like a win-win to me. Although it wouldn't matter to most, you could also have a designated smoking car. That's what was great throughout my travels in Europe, if I needed a smoke, I just stepped into the smoking(Pub)car. Have a pint and a smoke and you're ready to go back to your book or nap.

22 posted on 05/22/2007 10:30:26 AM PDT by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: Gamecock
I travel on the DB a lot, but not once have I ever had the desire to partake of the drinkable water in the lavatories

I never thought to either. But I guess it's a health concern, as somebody's going to drink it.

23 posted on 05/22/2007 11:19:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Let's say our 200mph train gets to average 100mph including stops. That's a 300-mile head start on the plane counting only the three hours above. Then the 600mph plane would cover that in 30 minutes, by which time the train would be another 50 miles out...

So who arrives in Pittsburgh first?

24 posted on 05/22/2007 11:25:33 AM PDT by Martin Tell ("It is the right, good old way you are in: keep in it.")
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To: Martin Tell
So who arrives in Pittsburgh first?

The guy in the train if he's coming from Baltimore. He may get there before the plane even takes off if he's coming from Columbus, OH. He'll pay a lot less, too. Also, while trains make more stops, they are a lot shorter than the stops that airplanes make. I just looked it up, most plane trips from Columbus come with one stop.

25 posted on 05/22/2007 11:49:00 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: iowamark

Ich hab’ ein Amerikas Hochgeschwindenkeitzug gern.


26 posted on 05/22/2007 11:52:45 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Philistone

Mais, l’argent ne c’est pas le bonheur, mon ami...


27 posted on 05/22/2007 11:54:11 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan

C’est vrais que l’argent ne peut pas acheter de le bonheur, mais il peut, par contra, diminuer pas mal le misere... ;-)


28 posted on 05/22/2007 11:58:50 AM PDT by Philistone (Your existence as a non-believer offends the Prophet(MPBUH).)
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To: iowamark
"Other countries have high speed electric trains powered by clean domestic nuclear generated electricity. Not us. "

No our high speed transport is power by jet fuel and is faster then any train.

29 posted on 05/22/2007 12:08:29 PM PDT by jpsb
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Trains have no boarding time?
Trains hand you your luggage instantaneously?
Trains do not have any security measures? (If they become popular, you can bet that whatever procedures they have, they'll grow exponentially.)
Trains will have as many departures so that you do not have to wait longer or leave far earlier than desired?

You're also assuming that the far higher number of stops for a high-speed train will only slow its average speed to 100mph. I'd bet against that, as well. Let's use your LA to SF example... you think there won't be stops in San Jose, Monterey, and San Luis Obispo (or Fresno, Modesto, and Bakersfield, if they don't use the coastal route)? Each stop will last for at least 20 minutes, more likely 30-40 (if not more for maintenance checks, handicapped passengers, bureaucratic requirements, lost children, etc). That adds about 90 minutes to the trip alone.

Even with instantaneous acceleration, that 400 mile trip at 200mph lasts 4 hours, minimum... and that's assuming that Berkeley, Pasadena, Long Beach, Anaheim and Oakland won't want their own stops as well.

But if you're so sure it can be done, then find the investors and make yourself a few hundred million.

30 posted on 05/22/2007 12:38:09 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Philistone

D’accord...


31 posted on 05/22/2007 12:54:56 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Teacher317
Trains have no boarding time?

They do, but stops are relatively short, about 20 minutes. I didn't just go from memory, I looked at the time difference between the same ICE route with and without stops. No taxi to the runway, no long wait for takeoff. Just wait a minute for a clear track and go.

Trains hand you your luggage instantaneously?

Onboard luggage lockers.

Trains do not have any security measures?

Germany has been dealing with terrorists a lot longer than we have, and the ICE is so popular it has just about 100% brand recognition.

Trains will have as many departures so that you do not have to wait longer or leave far earlier than desired?

The Frankfurt train station services 342 long-distance and 290 regional trains every day, not counting the subway and trams.

You're also assuming that the far higher number of stops for a high-speed train will only slow its average speed to 100mph. I'd bet against that, as well.

I was guessing of the ability of a 200mph train using the example of an ICE's average speed of about 100mph and top speed around only 170 (and then only on special tracks, which they don't always drive on). Not counting any stops, but the theoretical train is faster. This does count the slow-going until the train hits open track outside the city, and I didn't count that an airplane takes a while to get to cruising altitude and speed.

Such long-distance, high-speed trains usually have very few stops, if any.

But if you're so sure it can be done, then find the investors and make yourself a few hundred million.

One problem here is our cars. People might drive for four hours to get to a city where a train could get them there in less than half the time because they want to use their car when they're there. For really long distances, they would probably use planes as they're faster than trains.

But at least in Germany, even with the bad exchange rate, an ICE trip is usually less expensive than a similar-distance plane flight in the US (not even counting if you have a discount card).

32 posted on 05/22/2007 2:34:51 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Philistone
The FAA isn’t a business, it’s a regulatory agency.

If only that were so!

The FAA spends billions directly subsidizing the airlines and many billions more financing airports. But nobody says: "when will the FAA make a profit?" Or "when will the interstate highways make a profit?" Or "when will the Coast Guard and the Army Corps of Engineers make a profit on waterways?" They just take for granted the hundreds of billions in federal subsidies for oil burning transit. However, if one says anything about clean efficient trains, people always ask if there will be a profit.

33 posted on 05/22/2007 3:51:43 PM PDT by iowamark
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