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Immigration Bill Could Outlaw Gun Shops
Gun Owners of America ^ | May 23, 2007 | Gun Owners of America

Posted on 05/23/2007 7:26:52 PM PDT by Revtwo

Senator Ted Kennedy and the anti-gun zealots who wrote the bill just couldn't resist the temptation to get their hands on our guns. They have included language that GOA has been able to defeat in the past.

When Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) introduced these anti-gun provisions in 1998, the GOA grassroots were able to convince seven senator cosponsors to pull their names from Hatch's bill.

The current language in the amnesty bill is only slightly different from Hatch's original language almost 10 years ago, but it would essentially do the same thing -- threaten every gun store in America.

In Section 205, for example, all it takes for the employees of a gun shop (of five or more persons) to become a "criminal gang" is:

* For them to commit two or more violations of ANY federal felony gun offense -- which includes virtually all gun offenses, including paperwork violations; and

* For the anti-gunners to find that violating gun laws was a "primary purpose" of the group.

So let's say your local gun store sells two or three firearms to Mayor Bloomberg's thuggish agents under New York City's extraterritorial "sting" operations. Your gun shop is now a "criminal gang."

This provision could even be used against a family of five who drives by two schools on the way to a movie with a gun in the glove compartment. Certainly under a Hillary administration, it would not be surprising to see them treat this infraction as a "felony" under the weird language of Gun Free School Zones Act. Thus, you and your family would become a "criminal gang."

(Excerpt) Read more at gunowners.org ...


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KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; amnesty; bang; banglist; eevs; employment; goa; guncontrol; gunrights; gunshops; immigrationbill; jobs; kennedy; nationalid; realid; s1348; secondamendment; senate; shamnesty; swimmer; tedkennedy
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1 posted on 05/23/2007 7:26:54 PM PDT by Revtwo
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To: Revtwo

The Immigration Bill? Gun shops? “In Section 205, for example, all it takes for the employees of a gun shop (of five or more persons) to become a “criminal gang” ... does that mean only illegals work there?


2 posted on 05/23/2007 7:34:43 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: traviskicks

Ping


3 posted on 05/23/2007 7:35:22 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: K-oneTexas

Small addition I omitted: This is a S-T—R-—E——A-——C—————H!


4 posted on 05/23/2007 7:35:46 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Revtwo
El nadador gordo (the fat swimmer) strikes again!


5 posted on 05/23/2007 7:36:57 PM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: Revtwo

That law about driving by a school with a gun in the car was defeated here in Texas.That is no longer a crime since CC and the new defination of travel.


6 posted on 05/23/2007 7:38:21 PM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: Revtwo
Immigration Bill Could Outlaw Gun Shops

Yet bush loves it.

7 posted on 05/23/2007 7:39:50 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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To: Revtwo

WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


8 posted on 05/23/2007 7:44:31 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Revtwo

Wouldn’t you know the fat swimmer would and did sink this low.


9 posted on 05/23/2007 7:46:34 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Revtwo

Unbelievable! The crimmigrants get amnesty and gun owners become criminals.


10 posted on 05/23/2007 7:49:35 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: South40
Yet bush loves it.

He's got secret service protection for life. He doesn't need a personal firearm. Besides, the Senate is starting to get a little nervous with all the armed conservatives out there who are so angry about the amnesty bill. It's time to take their guns before they do something foolish.

11 posted on 05/23/2007 7:50:32 PM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: Revtwo

Yes, the gangs in Lost Angeles are so bad already — the vote-grubbin, Republic-busting libs KNOW THIS and the are afraid because THEY KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE USA goes Mexican — gangs, wars, crime, drugs, killings, etc, etc. THEY KNOW THIS — so they are trying to curb it by shutting down gun shops. WHAT A CROCK — it shows they know how VERY BAD this piece of crap destructive amnesty bill is — they know it!!!

Yet the votes are far more important to them than America and the rights of its citizens.


12 posted on 05/23/2007 7:51:28 PM PDT by EagleUSA (`)
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To: Revtwo

Sheesh. And today Chertoff said us narrow-minded bigots haven’t even read the bill. He better watch what he wishes for.


13 posted on 05/23/2007 7:54:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: 50mm; Revtwo; All

Y’all have fun but, ................................


14 posted on 05/23/2007 8:00:18 PM PDT by eastforker (.308 SOCOM 16, hottest brand going.2350 FPS muzzle..M.. velocity)
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To: ConservaTexan

Is this pledge week at GOA? Never miss a chance, do they!


15 posted on 05/23/2007 8:11:53 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: EternalVigilance

Chertoff is a pathetic joke. Over the past year he’s said....

The border situation is under control

it’s too expensive to protect the border

no terrorists would try to cross our border

and most recently, this bill will help to prevent terrorists from crossing the border.


16 posted on 05/23/2007 8:13:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: 383rr

bookmark


17 posted on 05/23/2007 8:13:14 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Revtwo
It should be noted that the last major piece of legislation that was run through Congress so fast that nobody got to read it in full before it was voted on was the *Patriot Act*, a law that fixed some things that needed fixing but introduced a whole host of reductions in liberty and privacy.

Just like the Patriot Act, we are told that this immigration bill was just the result of some “negotiation” with a group of Senators, but the bill itself has sections that obviously someone has been working on for a long time and just waiting to attach to some fast moving horse.

Every passing day brings more revelations about what a monstrosity this is. We must drive a stake through it while we still can.

18 posted on 05/23/2007 8:17:17 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: cripplecreek

I truly do despise that arrogant blinkered fool.


19 posted on 05/23/2007 8:18:02 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: eastforker

I was being sarcastic. I’m just as steamed as I assume you are, hence the flaming smilie. I carry myself and won’t relinquish no matter how many laws they pass.


20 posted on 05/23/2007 8:29:12 PM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: Revtwo

This bill stinks from top to bottom. That said; the libs have yet to really realize that outlawing guns is one thing collecting them is another.


21 posted on 05/23/2007 8:35:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Hope and fear are two sides of a coin that bind you to worldly concerns. Render it unto the world.)
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To: EternalVigilance

While all those Senators that voted FOR CLOTURE, before they’d recieved their Copys of the 1100 pages; were WHAT???


22 posted on 05/23/2007 8:38:14 PM PDT by PizzaDriver (an heinleinian/libertarian)
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To: 50mm
He's got secret service protection for life.

No, he doesn't. The law was changed while Clinton was in office and now ex-presidents get only 10 years worth of SS protection after leaving office. The law was written to apply to subsequent presidents so that Carter and Clinton have protection for life under the old law, but Bush and the ones that follow only get 10 years of protection under the new law.

23 posted on 05/23/2007 8:44:45 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: 50mm

If he has five gun toting Secret Service guys protecting him, wouldn’t they be a criminal gang?


24 posted on 05/23/2007 9:02:36 PM PDT by IM2MAD
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

PING!


25 posted on 05/23/2007 9:18:21 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: Revtwo

To celebrate I picked up a Glock 20 yesterday!

10mm. Because bigger is better.


26 posted on 05/23/2007 9:30:58 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici
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To: South40

“Yet bush loves it.”

I presume you’ve heard what his yes-man AG wants to be able to do, right?


27 posted on 05/23/2007 9:38:29 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: eastforker
That law about driving by a school with a gun in the car was defeated here in Texas.That is no longer a crime since CC and the new defination of travel.

It's no longer a state crime, although I'm not so sure about that effect in the new law, but it's still a *federal* crime. The Gun Free School Zones act was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, in Lopez (schools are not commerce so Congress has no power to regulate them). But then Congress sprinkled on a few more Whereases and some "interstate commerce pixie dust and passed the thing again. The second version had not yet been tested at the Supreme Court level, AFAIK.

28 posted on 05/23/2007 9:41:31 PM PDT by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: VeniVidiVici

I got the Glock21 for the same reason.

Regards


29 posted on 05/23/2007 10:33:31 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: Revtwo

Gosh it only gets worse... illegal criminals get amnesty while citizen gur rights are undermined.


30 posted on 05/23/2007 11:31:16 PM PDT by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: Revtwo

WCCA alert: Doyle/Baumgart bill gets worse (99% banned)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/614867/posts

Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/612231/posts

Doyle urges fight against gun lobbyists
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3896049f7e88.htm

>>>> But also ignored is the fact that the negotiating draft imposes draconian penalties for those who live in states that have the audacity to veto the National ID card (which passed as part of the REAL ID Act of 2005).

If you live in a state such as Montana, Maine, Idaho, etc. which has passed legislation opposing the government’s efforts to turn your driver’s license into a National ID card, YOU COULD BE DENIED EMPLOYMENT OF ANY SORT. <<<<<

I think this is one of the big reasons .... So we all can be chiped


31 posted on 05/24/2007 12:01:52 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: freespirited

An angle on your thread from the other day.


32 posted on 05/24/2007 1:34:26 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Joe Brower

Pinglistable?


33 posted on 05/24/2007 2:11:05 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: theBuckwheat

>>> Just like the Patriot Act, we are told that this immigration bill was just the result of some “negotiation” <<<

A blast from the past

Methamphetamine Anti-Proliferation
http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/5/31/111455

Democrats Halt Methamphetamine Bill
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3976405c0503.htm

Change the name, change parties. And Bush Bots here couldn’t sign on fast enough.


34 posted on 05/24/2007 2:32:05 AM PDT by quietolong
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To: theBuckwheat; Revtwo
Every passing day brings more revelations about what a monstrosity this is. We must drive a stake through it while we still can.

I couldn't agree more. I am getting very, very tired of omnibus bills that are laden with provisions that have little or nothing to do with the subject of the bill. Most of the time it is "just" pork (that's bad enough, the corrupt murthaphockers), but the Dems always - ALWAYS - manage to sneak in anti-gun provisions (and the pro-gun folks there NEVER put in repeals of anti-gun provisions, dammit). I'd like to see this practice stop, to force an immigration bill to have ONLY features related to immigration, but we'll probably never see the criminals limit themselves in that manner.

As for those on this thread who think this claim by GOA is "a stretch" or "pimping for money or members" or some such thing (and it surely is a bit of the latter - all of these organizations need money to operate), I have just one word for you: RICO. Well, actually more than 1 word...RICO was an anti-mobster statute, which has now been so twisted from its original intent by over-zealous and over-ambitious federal prosecutors as to be unrecognizable in its effects. So DON'T TELL ME THAT SOME VIRULENTLY ANTI-GUN ADMINISTRATION WON'T USE THESE PROVISIONS TO SCREW GUN OWNERS. They already do it with other laws, and they will do it with this monstrosity (which must be defeated for a whole host of other reasons besides guns).

Those of us who love liberty must destroy this bill and defeat those who proposed it as a warning to others not to propose similar bills.

35 posted on 05/24/2007 5:40:41 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: IM2MAD
Good point!
36 posted on 05/24/2007 5:42:35 AM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: K-oneTexas

It’s not like these criminals occupying Washington D.C. manipulate current laws to fit the liberal agendas. This bill is a POS and so are the pols touting it.


37 posted on 05/24/2007 5:45:25 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: freekitty
Wouldn’t you know the fat swimmer would and did sink this low.

Fat doesn't sink, cars do!

38 posted on 05/24/2007 5:47:26 AM PDT by 50mm (la prensa dos en traducir mi línea de etiqueta al inglés)
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To: K-oneTexas
all it takes for the employees of a gun shop (of five or more persons) to become a “criminal gang” ... does that mean only illegals work there?

No, it means that Kennedy has attached one of his pet anti-gun bills to the Immigration Bill hoping it can be slipped through unnoticed by American gun owners until it becomes law.

39 posted on 05/24/2007 5:59:45 AM PDT by epow ( Policies are many, principles are few, policies change, principles never do)
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To: epow

Thanks for the clarification, I guess I got to into the fact that it was an Immigration Bill. Although it is legal and an accepted practice to attach these extraneous “ideas” or “pet projects” to bills ... it cheapens the process and bast*r**zes the main bill.


40 posted on 05/24/2007 6:39:56 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: South40
Yet bush loves it.

Bush is no friend of gun owners and never has been.

41 posted on 05/24/2007 6:41:33 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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42 posted on 05/24/2007 8:01:14 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Revtwo

>>* For them to commit two or more violations of ANY federal felony gun offense — which includes virtually all gun offenses, including paperwork violations; and

* For the anti-gunners to find that violating gun laws was a “primary purpose” of the group. <<

I’m surprised its not illegal to hire someone at a gun shop with a conviction for a Federal felony. But then if they are gonna call a paperwork violation a felony the world is nuts anyway.


43 posted on 05/24/2007 8:47:10 AM PDT by gondramB (No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
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To: 50mm

You are right.


44 posted on 05/24/2007 9:21:40 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Revtwo

A friend once observed that Teddy killed more people with his car than he did with his guns.


45 posted on 05/24/2007 10:19:27 AM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: FredHunter08
I presume you’ve heard what his yes-man AG wants to be able to do, right?

Do tell...

46 posted on 05/24/2007 3:20:29 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: ellery
“Do tell...”

Remove 2nd Amendment rights from anyone he considers a “terrorist”.

Now, define “susepected terrorist”.

http://www.saf.org/viewpr-new.asp?id=223

47 posted on 05/24/2007 4:02:39 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08

“Conservative”? Notice I didn’t guess “Republican”.


48 posted on 05/24/2007 5:44:11 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: FredHunter08

Good grief — I hadn’t heard that!!! Outrageous.


49 posted on 05/24/2007 9:34:50 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: Still Thinking

““Conservative”? Notice I didn’t guess “Republican”.”

Entirely possible.

It’s not like the PATRIOT Act is only used on Muslim terrorists. From what I understand, that’s a relatively rare application.


50 posted on 05/24/2007 9:36:18 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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