Skip to comments.Immigration Bill Could Outlaw Gun Shops
Posted on 05/23/2007 7:26:52 PM PDT by Revtwo
Senator Ted Kennedy and the anti-gun zealots who wrote the bill just couldn't resist the temptation to get their hands on our guns. They have included language that GOA has been able to defeat in the past.
When Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) introduced these anti-gun provisions in 1998, the GOA grassroots were able to convince seven senator cosponsors to pull their names from Hatch's bill.
The current language in the amnesty bill is only slightly different from Hatch's original language almost 10 years ago, but it would essentially do the same thing -- threaten every gun store in America.
In Section 205, for example, all it takes for the employees of a gun shop (of five or more persons) to become a "criminal gang" is:
* For them to commit two or more violations of ANY federal felony gun offense -- which includes virtually all gun offenses, including paperwork violations; and
* For the anti-gunners to find that violating gun laws was a "primary purpose" of the group.
So let's say your local gun store sells two or three firearms to Mayor Bloomberg's thuggish agents under New York City's extraterritorial "sting" operations. Your gun shop is now a "criminal gang."
This provision could even be used against a family of five who drives by two schools on the way to a movie with a gun in the glove compartment. Certainly under a Hillary administration, it would not be surprising to see them treat this infraction as a "felony" under the weird language of Gun Free School Zones Act. Thus, you and your family would become a "criminal gang."
(Excerpt) Read more at gunowners.org ...
The Immigration Bill? Gun shops? “In Section 205, for example, all it takes for the employees of a gun shop (of five or more persons) to become a “criminal gang” ... does that mean only illegals work there?
Small addition I omitted: This is a S-T—R-—E——A-——C—————H!
That law about driving by a school with a gun in the car was defeated here in Texas.That is no longer a crime since CC and the new defination of travel.
Yet bush loves it.
WHY THEY WANT OUR GUNS:
Wouldn’t you know the fat swimmer would and did sink this low.
Unbelievable! The crimmigrants get amnesty and gun owners become criminals.
He's got secret service protection for life. He doesn't need a personal firearm. Besides, the Senate is starting to get a little nervous with all the armed conservatives out there who are so angry about the amnesty bill. It's time to take their guns before they do something foolish.
Yes, the gangs in Lost Angeles are so bad already — the vote-grubbin, Republic-busting libs KNOW THIS and the are afraid because THEY KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE USA goes Mexican — gangs, wars, crime, drugs, killings, etc, etc. THEY KNOW THIS — so they are trying to curb it by shutting down gun shops. WHAT A CROCK — it shows they know how VERY BAD this piece of crap destructive amnesty bill is — they know it!!!
Yet the votes are far more important to them than America and the rights of its citizens.
Sheesh. And today Chertoff said us narrow-minded bigots haven’t even read the bill. He better watch what he wishes for.
Y’all have fun but, ................................
Is this pledge week at GOA? Never miss a chance, do they!
Chertoff is a pathetic joke. Over the past year he’s said....
The border situation is under control
it’s too expensive to protect the border
no terrorists would try to cross our border
and most recently, this bill will help to prevent terrorists from crossing the border.
Just like the Patriot Act, we are told that this immigration bill was just the result of some “negotiation” with a group of Senators, but the bill itself has sections that obviously someone has been working on for a long time and just waiting to attach to some fast moving horse.
Every passing day brings more revelations about what a monstrosity this is. We must drive a stake through it while we still can.
I truly do despise that arrogant blinkered fool.
I was being sarcastic. I’m just as steamed as I assume you are, hence the flaming smilie. I carry myself and won’t relinquish no matter how many laws they pass.
This bill stinks from top to bottom. That said; the libs have yet to really realize that outlawing guns is one thing collecting them is another.
While all those Senators that voted FOR CLOTURE, before they’d recieved their Copys of the 1100 pages; were WHAT???
No, he doesn't. The law was changed while Clinton was in office and now ex-presidents get only 10 years worth of SS protection after leaving office. The law was written to apply to subsequent presidents so that Carter and Clinton have protection for life under the old law, but Bush and the ones that follow only get 10 years of protection under the new law.
If he has five gun toting Secret Service guys protecting him, wouldn’t they be a criminal gang?
To celebrate I picked up a Glock 20 yesterday!
10mm. Because bigger is better.
“Yet bush loves it.”
I presume you’ve heard what his yes-man AG wants to be able to do, right?
It's no longer a state crime, although I'm not so sure about that effect in the new law, but it's still a *federal* crime. The Gun Free School Zones act was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, in Lopez (schools are not commerce so Congress has no power to regulate them). But then Congress sprinkled on a few more Whereases and some "interstate commerce pixie dust and passed the thing again. The second version had not yet been tested at the Supreme Court level, AFAIK.
I got the Glock21 for the same reason.
Gosh it only gets worse... illegal criminals get amnesty while citizen gur rights are undermined.
WCCA alert: Doyle/Baumgart bill gets worse (99% banned)
Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
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>>>> But also ignored is the fact that the negotiating draft imposes draconian penalties for those who live in states that have the audacity to veto the National ID card (which passed as part of the REAL ID Act of 2005).
If you live in a state such as Montana, Maine, Idaho, etc. which has passed legislation opposing the government’s efforts to turn your driver’s license into a National ID card, YOU COULD BE DENIED EMPLOYMENT OF ANY SORT. <<<<<
I think this is one of the big reasons .... So we all can be chiped
An angle on your thread from the other day.
>>> Just like the Patriot Act, we are told that this immigration bill was just the result of some negotiation <<<
A blast from the past
Democrats Halt Methamphetamine Bill
Change the name, change parties. And Bush Bots here couldnt sign on fast enough.
I couldn't agree more. I am getting very, very tired of omnibus bills that are laden with provisions that have little or nothing to do with the subject of the bill. Most of the time it is "just" pork (that's bad enough, the corrupt murthaphockers), but the Dems always - ALWAYS - manage to sneak in anti-gun provisions (and the pro-gun folks there NEVER put in repeals of anti-gun provisions, dammit). I'd like to see this practice stop, to force an immigration bill to have ONLY features related to immigration, but we'll probably never see the criminals limit themselves in that manner.
As for those on this thread who think this claim by GOA is "a stretch" or "pimping for money or members" or some such thing (and it surely is a bit of the latter - all of these organizations need money to operate), I have just one word for you: RICO. Well, actually more than 1 word...RICO was an anti-mobster statute, which has now been so twisted from its original intent by over-zealous and over-ambitious federal prosecutors as to be unrecognizable in its effects. So DON'T TELL ME THAT SOME VIRULENTLY ANTI-GUN ADMINISTRATION WON'T USE THESE PROVISIONS TO SCREW GUN OWNERS. They already do it with other laws, and they will do it with this monstrosity (which must be defeated for a whole host of other reasons besides guns).
Those of us who love liberty must destroy this bill and defeat those who proposed it as a warning to others not to propose similar bills.
It’s not like these criminals occupying Washington D.C. manipulate current laws to fit the liberal agendas. This bill is a POS and so are the pols touting it.
No, it means that Kennedy has attached one of his pet anti-gun bills to the Immigration Bill hoping it can be slipped through unnoticed by American gun owners until it becomes law.
Thanks for the clarification, I guess I got to into the fact that it was an Immigration Bill. Although it is legal and an accepted practice to attach these extraneous “ideas” or “pet projects” to bills ... it cheapens the process and bast*r**zes the main bill.
Bush is no friend of gun owners and never has been.
>>* For them to commit two or more violations of ANY federal felony gun offense — which includes virtually all gun offenses, including paperwork violations; and
* For the anti-gunners to find that violating gun laws was a “primary purpose” of the group. <<
I’m surprised its not illegal to hire someone at a gun shop with a conviction for a Federal felony. But then if they are gonna call a paperwork violation a felony the world is nuts anyway.
You are right.
A friend once observed that Teddy killed more people with his car than he did with his guns.
Remove 2nd Amendment rights from anyone he considers a “terrorist”.
Now, define “susepected terrorist”.
“Conservative”? Notice I didn’t guess “Republican”.
Good grief — I hadn’t heard that!!! Outrageous.
“Conservative? Notice I didnt guess Republican.”
It’s not like the PATRIOT Act is only used on Muslim terrorists. From what I understand, that’s a relatively rare application.