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To: betty boop
I don't know why Darwinian evolution theory needs so much "defending," up to and including using crooked means, if it's so darned great. This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded. IMHO.

The theory of evolution is about the only scientific theory consistently attacked by organized religion using blatantly false, non-scientific and indeed anti-scientific propaganda. Just look over on AnswersInGenesis for examples of all of this.

If you want to consider "crooked means" then check out the deliberate misunderstanding of science, the blatant falsehoods repeated endlessly, the quote mining, and all the rest of the "crooked means" used by creationists to challenge the theory of evolution. You see everything but science.

You write, "This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded." To this I respond, "This is a scientific matter, not a religious one; or ought so to be regarded."


The vehemence (and even seeming desperation) of some of its supporters suggests religious passion, not scientific dispassion/objectivity.

That's the new talking point, eh? Folks defend science from years of gratuitous and poorly thought out religiously-based attacks and now they are going to be chided for "religious passion" (or even accused of doing religion). Is that the best you can do?


Plus I don't understand why it wants to "exempt" itself from the normal course of science, which is evolutionary itself. Theories are improved upon over the course of scientific investigation. We now realize that even Newtonian mechanics is not exempt from this rule.

Scientists know that. There are hundreds of journals and tens of thousands of researchers dedicated to working out the details of the theory of evolution, and they are testing and challenging everything.

The problem you seem to have with evolutionary science is that it is not willing to accept new age metaphysico-philosphical mumbo-jumbo or religious belief as valid scientific evidence.

16 posted on 05/24/2007 9:00:16 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

What a load of fertilizer!


17 posted on 05/24/2007 9:21:07 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Coyoteman

[The problem you seem to have with evolutionary science is that it is not willing to accept new age metaphysico-philosphical mumbo-jumbo or religious belief as valid scientific evidence.]

Bzzzzt- the ‘only problem’ we have with evolutionary science is the fact that they keep presenting sketchy ‘evidence’ and suggesting that biological impossibilities need to be ignored in order to believe a rat sized animal’s jaw, when compared to a hippos sized animal’s jaw suggests that the ‘ear bones were evolving’ lol- Yup- that’s some perty serious ‘science’ right there brother.


19 posted on 05/24/2007 10:47:06 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: Coyoteman
Folks defend science from years of gratuitous and poorly thought out religiously-based attacks

But I am not making a "religiously-based attack," Coyoteman! Though a layman, I have the greatest respect for, and the keenest interest in, science and its progress -- especially physics. Please stop bashing the strawman and talk to me....

38 posted on 05/24/2007 4:13:26 PM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: Coyoteman; editor-surveyor; CottShop; betty boop
You write, “This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded.” To this I respond, “This is a scientific matter, not a ***religious*** one; or ought so to be regarded.”

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Cyoteman,

Any subject that addresses the topics of the origin of man has profound **religious** consequences for all the children in the school. The origin of man brings into question the great metaphysical questions of:

1) Where did we come from?
2) Why are we here?
3) Where do we go when we die?

Is is any wonder that **you** get touchy about evolution, or that those supporting ID or creationism have strong opinions about how this topic is introduced to their children?

There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that any government school can approach the topic of the origins of life without establishing the religious worldview of some, and crushing those of others. Government is forbidden by our First Amendment to do that! But,,in the Orwellian nether world of government schools human rights are suspended.

Solution: Begin the process of privatizing K-12 education. What is needed is complete separation of SCHOOL and state!

You can then have your religiously **non-neutral** madrassess, and the IDers and creationists can have theirs.

The government will then not be threatening parents and children with imprisonment and foster care, if they refuse to attend the government indoctrination camps. Citizens will not be under threat of sheriff’s sale of home and businesses (or imprisonment) if they refuse to support a government school religious agenda hostile to their metaphysical religious worldview. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip.)

48 posted on 05/24/2007 7:10:18 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Coyoteman

“To this I respond, “This is a scientific matter, not a religious one; or ought so to be regarded.””

And when scientists teach our children that belief it God is a foolish sham, then they’re inviting religion into it.


96 posted on 05/25/2007 9:55:23 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Coyoteman

It wouldn't be a creationist/ID thread without Raptor riding Jesus!

232 posted on 05/28/2007 8:50:38 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Coyoteman; betty boop
The theory of evolution is about the only scientific theory consistently attacked by organized religion using blatantly false, non-scientific and indeed anti-scientific propaganda. Just look over on AnswersInGenesis for examples of all of this.

However, in order to make their case, they must also destroy existing principles in astronomy, geology, physics archeology, geneology and more.

352 posted on 06/04/2007 11:12:40 AM PDT by ColdWater
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