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Judge Rules Any Religious Text Can Be Used for Courtroom Oaths
AP via 9&10 News ^
| 5/24/07
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Posted on 05/25/2007 4:59:38 PM PDT by melt
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To: Plains Drifter
"I didnt know judges could make law."You forgot the "/sarc/" tag...
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posted on
05/26/2007 11:50:47 AM PDT
by
Czar
( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
To: melt
Imagine a Scientologist taking an oath on a copy of “Battlefield Earth”.
42
posted on
05/26/2007 11:54:09 AM PDT
by
reg45
To: melt
Democrats could swear on a copy of “Das Kapital”.
43
posted on
05/26/2007 11:57:04 AM PDT
by
reg45
To: NYIslander; Tom D.
"Maybe i have a different perspective on this because Im Jewish. But this seems like a common-sense ruling. For example, would you force a jew to swear on a King James Bible?"
Has your Rabbi advised on the matter? I'm not Jewish but am an alien student (Noachide Chassid) of an Orthodox Rabbi. He suggested that we simply "affirm" without swearing on any text and told us how to go about it. So I will request that in court, if need be, and won't swear by any variation of the Septuagint (idolatry to me) or by the Tanach (B"H).
44
posted on
05/26/2007 5:23:09 PM PDT
by
familyop
To: airborne
>>The American Civil Liberties Union sued on behalf of a Muslim woman who wasn’t allowed to take her oath on the Quran.
So when questioned, can the person swearing on a Quran be asked about the verse that permits lying to non Muslims?<<
I would think the rule would be consistent - is questioning about the Bible allowed?
45
posted on
05/27/2007 5:35:53 AM PDT
by
gondramB
(No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
To: Plains Drifter
>>I didnt know judges could make law.<<
Thanks for that - first good laugh on what looks to be a long day.
46
posted on
05/27/2007 6:29:45 AM PDT
by
gondramB
(No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
To: f150sound
LDS has always used the Bible! Are you trying to instigate something f150sound?
47
posted on
05/27/2007 6:33:41 AM PDT
by
restornu
(True Christian Soldiers Are More Than Weekend Warriors! ~ "Mitt Romney 08")
To: neutrino
>>Could a Wiccan use a “book of shadows”?
What if the religion doesn’t have a written text - but is (or was) an established religion? Do they plan to discriminate against followers of Apollo? Of Mars and Jupiter? Of Skadhi?
Quite a can of worms, I think.<<
What are the other choices - to establish the Christian Bible as the official religious book of the government?
We live in a crazy world where people are claiming that allowing people to choose to pray in public is establishing a government religion. We supress freedom of religion and claim it that freedom of religion requires this suppression.
We don’t need to make it crazier by actually establishing a government religion.
48
posted on
05/27/2007 6:33:41 AM PDT
by
gondramB
(No man can be brave who thinks pain the greatest evil)
To: melt
What would an atheist use? - Nothing?
49
posted on
05/27/2007 6:40:14 AM PDT
by
FMBass
("Now that I'm sober I watch a lot of news"- Garofalo from Coulter's "Treason")
To: melt
Just wait. Someone will insist on being sworn in on their copy of “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Repair.”
50
posted on
05/27/2007 6:43:01 AM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: maine-iac7
I’ve heard of cases (second hand) of people with strong Christian beliefs being allowed to simply make a statement that what they say is true, based on that verse.
51
posted on
05/27/2007 6:45:35 AM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: muir_redwoods
What advantage would be acquired by requiring a muslim to swear an oath on a book he didnt hold sacred?
The same as requiring a muslim to swear an oath on a book that commands him to lie.
52
posted on
05/27/2007 6:59:40 AM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: gondramB
I would think the rule would be consistent - is questioning about the Bible allowed? I have no problem with htat.
53
posted on
05/27/2007 7:12:58 AM PDT
by
airborne
(Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
To: Grizzled Bear
so no difference and no problem using a koran?
54
posted on
05/27/2007 1:33:22 PM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: muir_redwoods
so no difference and no problem using a koran?
Out of curiosity; what is your opinion on a Christian swearing an oath on the “King James” version?
55
posted on
05/27/2007 1:36:22 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: melt
What would be the point of having someone swear on a book they did not regard as holy?
If one is not a Christian, and does not believe the Bible is the inspired word of God, it seems to me that swearing on the Bible might be about as meaningful as swearing on the phone book.
But what do I know?
56
posted on
05/27/2007 1:40:06 PM PDT
by
Amelia
To: NYIslander
“Maybe i have a different perspective on this because Im jewish. But this seems like a common-sense ruling. For example, would you force a jew to swear on a King James Bible?”
***
They could be convinced to do so because the English name “James” is written in the Greek New Testament as “Iakobos” or “Jacob”. “Jacob” is a Hebrew name, isn’t it?
To: Grizzled Bear
"Out of curiosity; what is your opinion on a Christian swearing an oath on the King James version?"I actually have none. I think if a man will lie, he will do so whether he's held a book or not. I think the idea of swearing on a Bible is odd and, the one time I was sworn in as a witness, I took a civil oath.
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posted on
05/27/2007 4:49:42 PM PDT
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: muir_redwoods
I think if a man will lie, he will do so whether he’s held a book or not.
Fair enough. What you say is true.
The point others were making is that the koran instructs Muslims to lie.
An honest and faithful Christian will tell the truth, even if it is a disadvantage.
A faithful Muslim is compelled to lie by his holy book.
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posted on
05/27/2007 4:56:29 PM PDT
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: Grizzled Bear
A faithful Muslim is compelled to lie by his holy book. Then what's the point of having a Muslim swear an oath on any book, or testify at all?
60
posted on
05/27/2007 5:07:08 PM PDT
by
Amelia
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