Posted on 05/26/2007 6:22:29 AM PDT by BornInASmallTown
Sen. John McCain dismissed Mitt Romney's and Rudy Giuliani's opposition to proposed immigration reform Friday and chastised them for not offering their own proposals to deal with illegal immigration.
"If you think this is no good, this compromise that has been forged with the leadership of the president of the United States and conservatives and liberals in both parties, then what is your proposal that will pass the Congress of the United States?" McCain asked of his opponents in the race for the Republican presidential nomination.
McCain, the senior U.S. senator from Arizona, is the only one of the top three Republican candidates for president who supports the proposed legislation. Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, and Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, have not offered any detailed plans for how they would reform immigration laws, a point that McCain sharply criticized Friday.
"It's the easiest thing in the world to say no to things," said McCain. "My job is to do the hard things."
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Rudy only opposes a small part, but he has no problem with granting amnesty. Forked tongue speaks again.
That's because there is no plan but to keep the status quo. No bill=no fence and a three million man march next May.
McCain is toast. He is not a factor. Just a waste of time.
He’s quadrillionating issues-—giving everbody a piece.
He’ll say whatever he thinks will get him a few votes.
Here’s a plan:
1. Secure the border and start deporting illegal immigrants whenever and wherever they’re found, or IOW, start enforcing the laws already on the books. Catch and deport as opposed to catch and release.
2. See that every state that has “sanctuary” cities, like Houston, New York City, and San Francisco experiences a proportionate reduction in federal funding, if not a total cutoff.
3. Make it plain to churches that defy the law with respect to illegal immigration that their tax-exempt status is on the line; then follow through.
None. This is a take-it-or-leave-it deal. That's the consequences of losing the Congress. The only two choices here are the bill offered, or the status quo, with 12 million illegals and more coming.
No, enforcing the current law will not fix the problem. Without positive ID, it's not possible to convict employers hiring illegals unless there's actual conspiracy involved. No, it's not possible to stop hundreds of thousands of people determined to sneak in the country any more than it's possible to eliminate drug use. They only have to succeed once, and they will. No, it's not possible to round up 12 million people and return them to mexico, the Constitution has too many barriers (which is good, because liberals would round up conservatives into concentration camps if they could get away with it).
It's a sad situation we find ourselves in, but the bill offered in congress, perhaps with a couple of minor changes, is all that we can do. We must do it now, because the campaign season is spinning up fast and nothing major will get accomplished then. After 2008, it's likely Hillary! will be president, and she'll open the borders wide, or best case, do nothing.
Preventing this bill from passing is really supporting the status quo. And I'm sure some opposition to it is exactly for the purpose of keeping things the way they are, with hundreds of thousands of unknown people sneaking in, and nothing we can seriously do about it.
Some leadership??? The world will be better off when the last bush heads for texas.
Well, if it’s supporting the status quo, or making things much, much worse, sign me up for the status quo!
Enforce the law, what a concept. I thought that is what an oath of office is about. How about impeaching Judges who coddle the lawbreakers too?
So you think we should legalize the current crop of illegals, and while that is going on we’ll get a new crop to replace them.
McCain knows that Arizonans want an authentic border security bill first. That would prove the Senate’s bona fides (this, of course, will never happen). Second, pass a bill that anyone caught crossing the border illegally will never be eligible for citizenship nor will wife, children, or parents (that data base is huge). Next, deny citizenship to children whose mothers came to the US for the single purpose of giving birth to a child. Follow that with a limited worker program. Kiss off the amnesty bill that would give citizenship to illegals, give Sarkozy American citizenship, and run him for President.
Most of the opposition here is from our own who are trying to prevent the flow from being cut off. They are playing to the emotions of the “deport them all” crowd. Beware of the pool you swim in...there are sharks in the waters. LOL.
Rootie’s position is laughable in light of his past. Romney must have had another epiphany.
McCain...well what can you say, he is McCain.
Why does the bill make things worse?
It provides a positive ID so we can finally take action against employers that hire illegals. It provides for a guest worker program that will allow illegals to come out of the shadows so we know who and where they are.
Both of these things are necessary for us to get a handle on the problem.
The bottom line is there is no enforcement method that will work unless we build a system where it is easier for mexicans to be here legally than illegally. Because, like drugs, we're stuck with them. We can either accept that fact and make the best of it, or we can pound or fist and kick the floor ... and they'll still be here.
They are not going to do ANY of that. It’s just words on paper, just like the words on paper that said they would build the wall. Or the words on paper that says they are illegal now. If the government refuses to enforce the present law, why should we expect that after erasing the current law, replacing it with a more complicated law, that the same government will enforce the new one?
No. The "new crop" would be legal. We would know who they are and where they are, which is not the case today.
In order to believe that there is some solution fundementally different from what is proposed, it's necessary to believe that we can round up illegals and remove them permanently, and that it's possible to prevent illegals from coming here. I no longer believe that is possible because of political and legal realities. Short of the US becoming a totalitarian country, it just will not happen.
I don't like the entry of mexican culture into the US any more than anyone. It's a loser culture. I just think that enforcement is the wrong medicine. It hasn't worked for decades, and I don't think it ever can. I think we should spend our energies fighting the political correctness that prevents us from assimilating these people into US culture (learning english, going to college, etc.) For a fact we would have *some* success with a push to assimilate, where the current struggle to just keep mexicans away has totally failed, and I don't see any way that fact will change.
Your job is to get the F* out of town you arrogant loser. Any one of us in ten minutes can and have come up with proposals far superior to this legislative abortion. But notice, how he refers to "Congress" as if it is an outside power, unto itself. That's highly revealing --what it has become.
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