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To: AlbertoMG
IMHO, as a Vietnam combat veteran (2 Purple Hearts), women have no place in ground combat...and if you ain’t been there you can have an opinion but you don’t know the real facts...women are great, and needed in support units and I am still thinking about if they should be pilots or not...

meadow Muffin

2 posted on 05/26/2007 10:20:20 AM PDT by rwgal
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To: rwgal

Absoluely correct


5 posted on 05/26/2007 10:34:29 AM PDT by middie
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To: rwgal

amen to that


6 posted on 05/26/2007 10:36:47 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: rwgal
"as a Vietnam combat veteran (2 Purple Hearts), women have no place in ground combat..."

As a WW II combat infantryman, I agree.

9 posted on 05/26/2007 11:16:33 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: rwgal

Thank you for your service.


10 posted on 05/26/2007 11:17:24 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: rwgal

Concur.

LT. ARMOR
3/23 INF
DMZ, ROK 1968-1969

CPT. ARMOR
MACV, Class of ‘71


11 posted on 05/26/2007 11:33:46 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: rwgal

Hygene—women need more.

Interference—women, by their very nature, cause men to not pay singular attention to the mission—not mainly because of sexual/romantic interest—because the wonderful nature of men is to protect women.

War is NOT society.
WOMEN AND MEN ARE NOT EQUAL.
War is fought because it has to be done.
War is not fought to give equal opportunities.


20 posted on 05/26/2007 12:53:12 PM PDT by bannie
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To: rwgal

You speak as a veteran. I speak as a historian - and we both agree.

This isn’t about increasing our military capabilities - its about making an idiotic political statement.


52 posted on 05/27/2007 5:41:30 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: rwgal

Those of us who have seen the grim horror at the sharp end of infantry combat (as I did in a Mech Infantry outfit in Vietnam) are concerned at the rhetoric of many of those pushing the women in combat agenda. Daily we are regaled by the sight of 110 lb. women routinely beating the stuffing out of 250 lb male behemoths in choreographed entertainment fantasies like Buffy the vampire Slayer, Dark Angel, Tomb Raider and the Matrix Reloaded. We all listened breathlessly to the initial (later revealed as inaccurate) reports of brave little Jessica Lynch mowing down hordes of Iraqis.

It is only natural that with this continual barrage of opinion shaping that an attitude will begin to form that women are just as generally capable of participating in infantry combat as men are, with a comensurate erosion of the rationale for excluding them in the first place.

This is not to say that women can not serve in positions that enhance military capability, they are already serving in them, and serving well and honorably. It was Nazi Armament Minister Albert Speer who cited the German failure to mobilize their women in the manner that the Allies did in WWII as a significant factor in the Nazi defeat. In situations involving large scale mobilization, they are essential. (Don’t forget that the Soviets only did it because of the hugely staggering quantity of casualties that they suffered, on a scale that we can scarcely concieve of) That is not the case now as most personnel requirements could be met with the available pool of qualified males. Today, the issue is clouded by feminists and their societal influence ranging from lefist cum Marxist to liberal gender equity advocates. All too often combat readinesss, morale and unit cohesion is secondary to remaking the military institution into one which advances a radical social agenda. The decision to incorporate such large numbers of women into today’s military is a political decision, not one of military necessity has was the case with the Soviets during World War II.

One of the problems in assesing the impact of this issue vis-a-vis the Iraq war is the fact that we handily defeated them with the forces that were already in place in the invasion phase. Due to a combination of the skill of our superbly trained, equipped, motivated soldiers; and the ineptitude of our enemy (but they are getting better) our casualty rate has been thankfully far lower than we should have been reasonably able to expect given historical precedents. Notwithstanding this the question must be asked as to what would happen should we face an enemy that could inflict the sort of casualties on us has was the case during the fighting in northwest Europe in WWII? The United States Army was forced to comb out military personnel who had been assigned to the Army Specialized Training program as technical personnel (aircrew, radar operators, etc) and convert them to infantry to replace the staggering losses. Since 14% of the Army is not deployable to such duty (women) this does not bode well for such an eventuality. While we can continue to pray that we will never again face an enemy that will be able to attrite us as the German and Japanese Armies did, we MUST not plan as though it will never again happen. The Iraq war as it is presently playing out IS NO TEST OF THIS PROPOSITION. That answer would be revealed by an enemy that would actually be capable of defeating us in a dynamic battlefield environment.

Many commentators are relentless in their determination to ignore the considerable body of factual evidence indicating that the present policy of sexual intergration is inconsistent with certain vital forms of combat readiness. Study after study (reinforced by my 20 yrs of anecdotal observation in the active duty military and NG) highlight the physical unsuitability of most women for the tasks of the combat soldier, and often even the support soldier. My personal observations include the inability to change the tires on military vehicles, clear routine stoppages on M60 medium MG’s and .50 cal HMG’s, carry heavy loads any appreciable distances at necessary speeds, lift and evacuate casualties, and an inordinate disposition to injury. The reason that the military adopted “dual physical training standards” was to ensure politically acceptable numbers of women, since 40-60% of them would be washed out if they were required to meet male physical training requirements. My son, a reservist in a NG chopper unit, is contemptuous of what he describes as continual coddling of female soldiers. He is planning to transfer to an infantry unit.

In situations of full mobilization, women are essential. I believe that women are a militarily valuable asset, provided that asset is used in a manner that makes the military ready to fight, and subordinates feminist social engineering to that end.

Hundreds of thousands of women have served and are serving their country honorably and well. I honor them for their service and accept them as comrades and fellow veterans. We can only hope that their service will be continued in such a manner as to enhance the ability of the military to fight. The potential consequences for the individual soldier and the military’s mission are too serious to subordinate to social engineering.


63 posted on 05/27/2007 6:59:55 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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