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1 posted on 05/27/2007 7:24:53 PM PDT by radar101
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To: radar101

This is BULL!

The Code of engagement should not even exist!

There are no innocent civilians in either Afghanistan, nor Iraq. Every mother-loving person there for two cents would gladly kill one of our soldiers.

These rules that our military now must use should never have been enforced.

War is about breaking things and killing people.

Torture to extract information, in my opinion, should be encouraged if it saves one American Soldiers life.

We did not win two World Wars by asking our enemies, “mother may I?”

grrrrrr.

The Marines need a LEADER, not a PC General-wanna-be.


2 posted on 05/27/2007 7:37:39 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: radar101
Just had this article e-mailed to me from a Marine mustang buddy. He wrote this note...

I believe General Conway is on the right track. However, let's not scare these young Marines who are about to engage in combat for the first time, to not fire back, when fired upon. Some I have talked to have been following the K/3/1 & K/3/5 incidents and appear to have become gun shy for fear of the consequences that await them if they make the wrong decision.

My answer to them was Marines,at all levels, make, have made and will continue to make wrong decisions, but that's war. Marines who hesitate will end up in a body bag and cause many of their brother Marines to end up there also. We were always trained to "make a decision" and "immediate obedience to orders", provided it is not an unlawful order.

3 posted on 05/27/2007 7:40:55 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: radar101
Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway set up a values and ethics panel this month and has ordered new ethics lessons for troops.

Jim, forget ethics, just tell the guys to shoot to kill, win the war, and come on home. Stop acting like a damn politician. Their are Marines for heavens sake, not girl scouts.

4 posted on 05/27/2007 7:49:35 PM PDT by wearearepublic
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To: radar101

You notice the post above this one? Man this is panzy training.Thank God there were no jag lawyers on the beaches in the pacific during WW2.Marines now need sensitivity training going into battle.Im gonna go throw up in a bucket now.


5 posted on 05/27/2007 7:50:04 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: radar101
Lt. Gen. James Mattis recently told Marines in Iraq's dangerous Anbar province to make contact and wave at civilians even if a fellow Marine has just been killed or injured.

Yeah, a one-finger wave.
This "battlefield ethics" crap makes me throw up in my mouth a little. If one Marine dies because he hesitated just long enough to wonder if he was being ethical, or to review his thirteen rules of engagement, scum like Petraeus, Mattis and Conway should hang.

Semper fidelis,
LH

7 posted on 05/27/2007 8:54:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: radar101
We unfortunately know the script. The Marines and Army on the front lines will avoid confrontations with the enemy. When forced into a fight, lives will be needlessly lost because of hesitance to fire for fear of court martial. Public pressure builds for withdrawal. In 2008, we will be entering the six year of stalemate in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Republican candidate for President will be defeated, and the Democrats will increase their Congressional majorities. In 2009, America will withdraw from Iraq, and the enemy will have won. Much of Iraq will become a de facto province of Iran.

The supporters of the current limited war policy are as blind as Baghdad Bob was. Also, these generals are likely gearing up for a Democratic administration in two years, and want to sound as PC as possible to hold onto their careers.

8 posted on 05/27/2007 8:58:12 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: radar101
Warriors being led by old women. They are so screwed.

If you're out on a patrol, sure, wave and smile and make nicey-nice with the locals, but the second you take fire, all of that should go out the window. It should be kill or die, not second guess every damned action, every pull of the trigger.

When warriors hesitate, warriors die. This PC shit makes me think those at command level would rather see American corpses than jihadi.

It’s a pity our fighting men and women are being led by such fools as these.

9 posted on 05/27/2007 9:08:35 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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values and ethics panel

Our nation has signed its own death warrant.

11 posted on 05/27/2007 9:11:30 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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Think twice before you pull that trigger can get you killed. This is bullcrap that our men on the battlefield don’t need. We need to fight more wars without the rules. A little more rubble, a lot less trouble. Faluja should have been B-52’d.


16 posted on 05/27/2007 9:47:45 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: radar101

“This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will...

My rifle and myself know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit...

My rifle is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my legs, my arms, my eyes and my heart against damage. I will keep my rifle clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...

Before God, I swear this creed. My rifle and myself are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We
are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is America’s and there is no enemy, but peace!”

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Well Jarheads, looks like we need to add a new enemy: “sensitivity training” by a politically apologetic CMC.

Semper Fi


19 posted on 05/28/2007 3:50:46 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow. Tomorrow is always the busiest day!)
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