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HillaryCare for Tots
Townhall ^ | May 28, 2007 | Nicole Gelinas

Posted on 05/28/2007 5:07:56 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: SoftballMominVA; Sgt Bono; Gabz; leda

I think HeadStart would be more effective if certified early education teachers were the actual instructors, but that isn’t the case here either.


21 posted on 05/28/2007 6:36:19 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia; Sgt Bono; Gabz; leda

From what I can tell, the problem with Headstart is that it is just one more governemental program, instead of an educational organization. IF our system manages to wrest control of the program, it would be interesting to see what would happen. I’d be half-interested in working for that age-group. I’ve been thinking for a while I’d like to go low


22 posted on 05/28/2007 6:40:40 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
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To: Kaslin

How did we ever win WW1 and WW2 with all those non pre-kindergarten trained soldiers, sailors and marines? Is that why we can’t even secure our own borders now...because of the enlightened wusses created in the last couple of generations? Total crapola!


23 posted on 05/28/2007 6:52:58 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: LantzALot
If you want to put Federal money into pre-school education, why not a voucher system? Then parents could choose which schools their children attend. Maybe their own church, a Montessori, or a Waldorf school.

Actually, the problem is that the children whose parents would go to the trouble to sign up for vouchers, and research and enroll them in private schools, probably don't need the preschool education anyway. They probably are already being read to at home, and they probably already know their colors, shapes, numbers, and letters.

The children who really need this sort of program unfortunately have parents who don't know how to do sign up for & research private schools and/or can't be bothered to do so....which is probably why the children are so behind educationally to begin with.

Sort of a Catch-22. How do you fix it?

24 posted on 05/28/2007 6:56:24 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: leda

Your mistake is getting into a debate with these left wing commies in the first place,once you do that you lose .
Let the kids be kids .Sending them to school at 5 is soon enough maybe even to soon ,giving them over to government schools pre Kindergarden and left wing indoctrination is insanity ,if you cant prepare your children for school at home you should not have them . I guarantee when you send your impressionable pre kindergarden out to these Brown shirted thugs they will be sending home little Eichmans


25 posted on 05/28/2007 6:56:59 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Amelia

You’ve got a point. But I don’t see Hillary’s proposal as a way to fix it.


26 posted on 05/28/2007 6:58:38 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: Sacajaweau

“The next year...Catholic school and a fine education!!”

They cry even more about money. I know; my sister teaches at a Catholic school.


27 posted on 05/28/2007 7:01:19 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Kaslin

We already have the voluntary Georgia Pre-K program, and here in N. Fulton county, at least, it is extremely popular. It is difficult to get space in the Pre-K of your choice if you don’t sign up very early. For instance, my sisterinlaw went to sign my nephew up at two locations near home, back in February. She only managed to get him on the waiting lists for both of them, she is spot #2 on her second choice school list, and spot #6 on the first choice. I believe that the families in this area are of a mind that enrolling the children in this program will give them a leg up on the other children in kindergarten, I know that is my SIL’s motivation.

The downside of the pre-k program is that once the children are enrolled, they must stay enrolled in school until they are graduated from high school, they attend school the same number of days and hours as the other public school children and are subject to the same rules as far as attendance (i.e. no more than three days per year absence without a doctor’s note), etc. A typical pre-k requires that the 4 year olds be at school at 7:00 AM until 2:00 PM M-F.


28 posted on 05/28/2007 7:03:42 AM PDT by VRWCer ("The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." - President Andrew Jackson)
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To: ballplayer
if you cant prepare your children for school at home you should not have them

Well, there's the problem in a nutshell.

Too many people having children who shouldn't be.

I would feel secure betting you that NONE of the people reading this article are people whose children would need this program.

That doesn't mean there aren't plenty of children out there who DO need such a program - although such a program might not be enough to help them.

29 posted on 05/28/2007 7:04:28 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

Interesting point. We do have a program around here called “Parents as Teachers.” The only person I know to have participated is a fourth grade teacher and her husband. Having P.A.T. available to pregnant teenagers would probably be more effective than head start. Depending on how it is arranged, it could be done at a much lower cost, especially if the school has onsite daycare.


30 posted on 05/28/2007 7:07:30 AM PDT by PrincessB ("I am an expert on my own opinion." - Dave Ramsey)
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To: VRWCer
I believe that the families in this area are of a mind that enrolling the children in this program will give them a leg up on the other children in kindergarten, I know that is my SIL’s motivation.

If you'll notice the Georgia State study referenced in the article, I'll bet that is the reason a lot of middle class families enroll their children - and I bet it's one reason the program seems to exascerbate the achievement gap.

I haven't read the study, but I'd be willing to bet that while the lower-level children improve, those at the top improve more.

31 posted on 05/28/2007 7:08:05 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Kaslin

Hillary indoctrination for tots. I thought she already had something called “hillary’s royal children”.


32 posted on 05/28/2007 7:12:32 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Amelia

You’re probably exactly right. I did make the mistake of putting my oldest child in the public school kindergarten (it has a wonderful reputation, of which I personally would beg to differ!), and because most of her classmates had been through the pre-k program, most of the children were able to read beginner books very early in the year. By halfway through, they were required to take turns (2 kids per day) to read entire books aloud to the rest of the class, and by the end of the year, they had written, illustrated, and bound story books of their own. It was a far cry from the coloring and learning letters and numbers that we had at the same age. Luckily, even though my daughter hadn’t been to “pre-k”, I had “played school” with her at home, complete with and old school desk, and she already knew how to read, spell, and do elementary math before K.

The sad part of the K program was that the children were pushed so hard to work and excel, that they didn’t have any time left for just being kids. Just like in the rest of elementary school, they weren’t allowed to talk to each other except at lunch (and then only to the person on either side of them, quietly) and at recess, which was 15 minutes, and at “centers time” (where they had their choice of a location to go to in the classroom, which could be computer time, reading time, coloring time, etc., where, again, they could speak quietly to the child(ren) right next to them). The rest of the day, they sat in a chair at at a table and did schoolwork. Our daughter’s “energizer bunny” personality didn’t mesh well with all the physical restriction, so we have been homeschooling her ever since (she is entering 8th grade in the fall, and still takes a break to jump on her trampoline or ride her scooter for 10 minutes after every 45 minutes or so of work!).


33 posted on 05/28/2007 7:25:51 AM PDT by VRWCer ("The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." - President Andrew Jackson)
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To: Amelia
Intervention in the home would certainly be preferable, if you could come up with an intervention program that would be effective with teenaged single mothers who are likely uneducated and put little value on education themselves. ... Do the parents who really need the program, and for whom it is designed, participate? I don't know.

that's exactly my frustration. i do see such a great need outside the school day. the need exists in homes of all socioeconimic levels too. honestly, i'd bet there are just as many educated working parents too fried in the evenings to read, etc with their kids as there are uneducated parents who don't. directing support where the kids spend the most of their time, outside of school at home, just seems to make better sense to me.
34 posted on 05/28/2007 8:32:27 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Amelia; SoftballMominVA

yes, i agree, early intervention programs would certainly
be more effective if they were educational programs with
certified staff.


35 posted on 05/28/2007 8:34:47 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: ballplayer

i’m just a frustrated kindergarten teacher. :(


36 posted on 05/28/2007 8:37:15 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: VRWCer

programs like the one you’ve described make me so sad. :(


37 posted on 05/28/2007 8:39:33 AM PDT by leda (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: leda

This is for kids who did not get aborted.....


38 posted on 05/28/2007 11:19:17 AM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: SoftballMominVA
IF our system manages to wrest control of the program, it would be interesting to see what would happen.

Keep us updated!

39 posted on 05/28/2007 12:21:10 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: LantzALot
But I don’t see Hillary’s proposal as a way to fix it.

Probably not. If it's mandatory, children who don't need extra help will be included, and the gaps will just get wider. If it's voluntary, the children who really need the help the most won't be there, because someone would have to get them up & get them ready.

40 posted on 05/28/2007 12:24:10 PM PDT by Amelia
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