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To: Coyoteman
"What does "science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions" mean? It sounds like somebody wants to censor scientific research where it does not agree with a particular religious belief."

The irony is too delicious to pass up. If there is any censorship going on here it is clearly censorship of ID. You say they have published no peer reviewed papers but when someone does publish in a scientific journal they are immediately ostracized.

Further, you have a fixation w/ the so-called 'wedge" document but frankly I don't see it as a challenge to the regular practice of science at all. There is no call for outlawing "materialistic science" its merely a call for an alternative approach to science that could compete, possibly, in the world of ideas.

If the theories that come out of a science "consonant w/ Christian theology" don't hold water scientifically, by any measure, then they should be discarded, but to reject the concept out of hand is simply intellectual bias.

Afterall, if God did create the universe and everything, then a science that purposely looks the other way could be missing a lot.

261 posted on 05/31/2007 11:19:26 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro
There is no call for outlawing "materialistic science" its merely a call for an alternative approach to science that could compete, possibly, in the world of ideas.

Uh, read on what they say is their goal.

Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions.

262 posted on 05/31/2007 11:28:35 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Pietro
Afterall, if God did create the universe and everything, then a science that purposely looks the other way could be missing a lot.

Science does not operate that way. Science is open to all possibilities.

You and Discovery.org, OTOH, close your eyes to all evidence that conflicts with your personal beliefs.

263 posted on 05/31/2007 11:30:36 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Pietro
Further, you have a fixation w/ the so-called 'wedge" document but frankly I don't see it as a challenge to the regular practice of science at all. There is no call for outlawing "materialistic science" its merely a call for an alternative approach to science that could compete, possibly, in the world of ideas.

Are you naive or dishonest?

Governing Goals

To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.

To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and hurnan beings are created by God.

Five Year Goals

To see intelligent design theory as an accepted alternative in the sciences and scientific research being done from the perspective of design theory.

To see the beginning of the influence of design theory in spheres other than natural science.

To see major new debates in education, life issues, legal and personal responsibility pushed to the front of the national agenda.

Twenty Year Goals

To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.

To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.

To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.

264 posted on 05/31/2007 11:35:46 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Pietro
"What does "science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions" mean? It sounds like somebody wants to censor scientific research where it does not agree with a particular religious belief."

If you want to find out the potential for censorship, just look at the various creation "science" organizations on the web, and see what their approach to science is. Here is a typical one:

Tenets of Scientific Creationism of the Institute for Creation Research

If this group, or those who believe as they do, were to be put in charge of science, I do believe censorship would be the result.

The Discovery Institute's "Wedge Strategy" outlines the way they intend to replace materialistic science with theistic science. (And it isn't through scientific research.)

265 posted on 05/31/2007 11:39:07 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Pietro
If the theories that come out of a science "consonant w/ Christian theology" don't hold water scientifically, by any measure, then they should be discarded, but to reject the concept out of hand is simply intellectual bias.

Your scientific creationism theory of a young earth doesn't hold water scientifically. You should discard it.

266 posted on 05/31/2007 11:43:34 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: Pietro
"The irony is too delicious to pass up. If there is any censorship going on here it is clearly censorship of ID. You say they have published no peer reviewed papers but when someone does publish in a scientific journal they are immediately ostracized.

Why would you think that all ideas have the same weight as a scientific theory? Until ID goes through the same selection process as the many fields of science it is simply not up to snuff.

If we were to equally consider all ideas then we would have to give equal weight to Astrology, Homeopathy, Crystal power, Pyramid power, and every kook who thinks he has developed free energy from Rice Crispies. There is an idea 'filter' which eliminates junk from science to keep bad ideas from taking up valuable time and effort. ID may become, sometime in the future, a science on par with chemistry (or others) but it hasn't made it there yet.

279 posted on 05/31/2007 1:43:54 PM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle.)
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